I think my curiosity will get the best of me and provoke me to buy it. Just hope it’s at a reasonable price. The over all game looks fun and looks great (all story/plot aside).
Because a game wheregameplay is killing innocent people should not be treated as a game; it’s free violence only; and it’s not so good for young people who have problems to play such games.
Another game industry really bad example, where people are ready to show a c r ap p y game whose goal is to make noise and money. You can play Shadow of Mordor where it is violence , but it is justified as it occurs in a context of war and you need to stop the invasion against humans.
I for one support the Hatred team.
They can create whatever they want (within the legal framework). It’s called artistic freedom and you may dislike it, but if you try to censor it, I will fight against your views.
“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” -Evelyn Beatrice Hall
It looks very much like a game to me. In fact, from the trailer it seems like it’s a classic isometric shooter (Alien/Zombie Shooter come to mind).
This is pretty much my stance on it.
I do not see this flying as a game on steam or GOG.com. If I were the developers I would do the following.
- Get rid of the hate theme and name. There are a bunch of different things that I can think of to make this a game. From being a vigilante to a trigger happy cop or something in between.
- Add some humor - Seriously humor never really hurts. I want to kill clowns and mimes who are holding AKs or M16s.
- If you cannot add humor play on American stereotypes in a funny way.
- Mod tools - This has kept postal 2 alive for who knows how long now.
- Drop the sin city color palate. Go with something more colorful. The trailer just makes me depressed in its current state IMO.
EDIT: or do this
This game got quite a lot of discussion at the office yesterday, we discovered that Epic has already asked for their Unreal logo to be removed as they want no affiliation with it. However, they didn’t tell them that they couldn’t make it. To me that seems perfectly fair, because nobody is trying to tell them they can’t make the game. If they we’re told they weren’t allowed to make it, that’s when it would be a problem. If people choose not to be affiliated that’s perfectly fair. I wouldn’t want to be affiliated with ‘Rape Simulator 2014’ for example. (In case that’s actually a thing, I’m not anyway).
I in fact fully believe it will end up for sale on steam (not the consoles, their process is much more strict), IF it passes certification. Strictly speaking that trailer should have gone through certification as well but that’s the YouTube world we live in. If it makes it through that process though, I see no reason for steam not to sell it. They’ll have to put up adequate barriers to the younger generation as usual though.
The media will no doubt portray it as a bad influence, when in reality it has no influence whatsoever. If you can’t distinguish between games and real life it’s you who needs to get your head checked IMO. You get rewarded in lots of other games for killing innocents, like GTA for example. The only difference is that it’s not your objective, but you can choose to make it an objective if you want. I know as a young kid with my friends I’d sometimes find myself in GTA: Vice City’s shopping mall with an AK47 mowing passers-by down to see how long I could stay alive for. People are reacting to this a bit more strongly because of the way it’s portrayed. It’s a game about a serial killer, there are strong films, books and other media out there about the same subject.
I’m pretty sure the game WILL sell on steam like any other, and if somebodies kid goes out and acts stupidly because he played a violent video game (a.k.a, his parents didn’t monitor his activity enough) the fault lies with the parents. I’m sure the same parents wouldn’t let the kid read ‘Diaries of a Serial Killer’ if such a book existed (which it probably does). But of course, video games get bad press anyway so this just adds fuel to the fire. Steam does what it can to protect kids from over-age games by asking for your age. They’d be doing nothing wrong by selling it and if it’ll make them money, why not. If they don’t sell it, it’ll be purely to get the public on their side.
At the end of the day, the games industry is a business, and sh*t like this sells.
Games like this tests the healthy of artistic freedom in the video game industry. Remember, today it is this game, but tomorrow it can be your game to suffer, and therefore the last thing anyone wants is the raise of uncrossable barriers between you and the public.
Who are we to decide what is good and bad? That is the customers job, by deciding if they want to buy and play the game.
Parents don’t control what a 14-18 year old boy reads/plays online and they simply can’t be held responsible for any consequences this game might lead to.
You know, I really don’t want to get mired in a discussion on the game itself. I have my opinion, and it is not positive, but I see relatively little value in using my time to discuss the game itself. There are larger issues likely to come up around this game that will be worth discussing, though.
I would like to take a second to really laud Epic’s response to Hatred, though. They disassociated themselves from the game and asked for their logo to be removed, but they also took a stance on creator freedom at the same time by explicitly stating that they don’t place content restrictions on creators. That’s incredibly important to me. Knowing that Epic won’t come in and yank our license if they don’t like our content has a lot of value. Even though there’s nothing currently in our app that Epic is likely to find objectionable, it’s empowering to know that we have the freedom to cross lines if we feel they need to be crossed to tell the story we want to tell or to deliver a memorable experience.
I don’t see this project being more offensive than Call of Duty, Manhunt or Postal (by the way, Postal 2 was powered by Unreal Engine 1.5).
Actually, it has this nineties feel of trashy, politically incorrect, anything-goes atmosphere.
Only time will tell whether it’s a good game or not, let’s just hope it doesn’t take itself too seriously (just because no fiction should ever be taken completely seriously).
Sure they do, there are limitations of course, but if a parent sees their son or daughter playing a game like this and thinks it’s okay more fool them.
This game definitely toes the line of what is and isn’t acceptable though I think. But it’s all a matter of perspective really. Remember when Call of Duty sparked controversy for having that Russian mission where you shoot down civilians? The only difference is that you didn’t HAVE to do it.
I’m pretty desensitized to this stuff though really.
See, this is where we seem to have taken different things away from the trailer. I saw absolutely no humor at all. I saw something that felt like it wanted to be taken very seriously. There was nothing clever, no hint of parody or humor. It was just maladjusted. It’s a game clearly inspired by some very real and very terrible events like Columbine, Virginia Tech, and Sandy Hook. The protagonist, if this trailer accurately represents the game, has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. There’s no moral ambiguity. There’s no challenging of assumptions. This seems to exist only to offend and let people step into the shoes of the worst sort of sociopath.
Postal 2, which is the closest equivalent game among the three you listed, did at least have humor. Though the humor was often ham-handed and adolescent, it was clearly attempting to parody violent games and the anti-game movements that sprung up to try and censor games. I see nothing like that here.
If Hatred has anything to elevate it above a manifestation of maladjusted adolescent male fantasy, they chose not to include it in the trailer. I don’t want the game censored. I would like it ignored. But it won’t be ignored. This will be picked up by every kneejerk media voice in the country and given tons of free publicity.
Oh, well. I will not buy it and I do hope the creators spend a little time thinking and reflecting and making significant changes before releasing. But they won’t, because they’ll love the attention the kneejerk media and do-gooders of the world are poised to give them… because it’s exactly what they were after in the first place.
@ : I couldn’t say better and i don’t think such practices can make you successfull on gaming industry.
I forsee lot of parodies, people digging into every listed developers facebook/twitter whatever for more scoop.
They broke a few rules, all NPCs should act as mindless zombies, only scream never talk or beg for their lives while injured on the ground.
It’s only acceptable to mass murder zombies or NPC that act like one, and have amusing ragdoll .
Planting a bomb in the middle of a crowd in GTA and Hitman Absolution and watching rag-dolls fly for no apparent reason, totally acceptable.
Not sure how people can’t understand the difference between killing someone in a game like BF4 or brutally and sadistically blowing up the head of a woman asking for mercy in the ground.
This game shouldn’t exist.
It’s just a game.
Hate sells.
Best terminator game ever, maybe except Bethesda’s one :-). THB game looks like dumb fun to bad they picked bad setting, just replace humans with zombies and i might play it