no I deleted all my 4.2 vrep projects and started from the 5.0.3 template.
It works fine if I make a blank level
it was just the hands weren’t opening and closing in the main map
they work fine in a new level.
I wacked every single 4.27.
I am completely moved over to 5
I don’t need advanced functions
the hand opening closing was kind of important but I could prototype with it anyway.
I had to change to 5 and it seems to be working for my purposes.