Is Geometry 2.0 Still a Possibility?

[Jason_Wanderer]

I haven’t heard anything about it on the forums for quite some time now. I was just wondering if Epic was still planning to implement it.

~ Jason

[MrGoatsy]

What is it supposed to be? Can you link me some information about it?

[zeOrb]

I don’t think we will see it anytime soon.
It was moved to 2016 and 2017 backlog.
I guess team will work on Sequencer improvements and Niagara development in 2016

[Jason_Wanderer]

@MrGoatsy;573575

What is it supposed to be? Can you link me some information about it?

For simplicity’s sake:

@Chance Ivey;199684

Thanks, SonKim, for combining these all in one place. It’s certainly a lot easier to get a look at As mentioned in JoeWintergreen’s post, we don’t currently have a timeline for Geometry 2.0, however, this helps us to better understand what’s important to you all when approaching future changes to geometry tools.

Thanks again!

@DotCam;198095

Well Epic will be implementing Geomerty 2.0 sometime next year (as per trello), but the Pro-Builder guy’s are your best bet for a near term solution.

Here is the Pro-Builder I mentioned, see if you can get a response back from him, seems to be in active development, it’s already available for Unity as well (with a video showing how it works).
https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?22230-quot-ProBuilder-quot-for-Unreal-4-Marketplace

Here are the threads in case you’re interested (they’re a pretty good read; I suggest you go through them):

1. Geometry Editor 2.0 suggestion thread - Feedback & Requests - Epic Developer Community Forums

2. (VIDEO) UE4's Geometry Mode is inadequate when compared with that of Quake 1 - Feedback & Requests - Epic Developer Community Forums

~ Jason

[Jason_Wanderer]

@zeOrb;573581

I don’t think we will see it anytime soon.
It was moved to 2016 and 2017 backlog.
I guess team will work on Sequencer improvements and Niagara development in 2016

Shame. I’ve been looking forward to it for quite a few years now…

Sequencer improvements and Niagara are welcome, but I’d being lying if I said I wasn’t a bit disappointed.

Thanks for the link by the way, I’ll have to keep my eye on that.

~ Jason

[AE_3DFX]

Geo 2.0 would make much better to build world objects than BSP. Keep thumbs up for Epic plans about Geometry 2.0

[Jason_Wanderer]

@;573637

Geo 2.0 would make much better to build world objects than BSP. Keep thumbs up for Epic plans about Geometry 2.0

I know!

I’m holding out hope!

~ Jason

[MrGoatsy]

@Jason Wanderer;573633

For simplicity’s sake:

Here are the threads in case you’re interested (they’re a pretty good read; I suggest you go through them):

1. Geometry Editor 2.0 suggestion thread - Feedback & Requests - Epic Developer Community Forums

2. (VIDEO) UE4's Geometry Mode is inadequate when compared with that of Quake 1 - Feedback & Requests - Epic Developer Community Forums

~ Jason

So basically a more advanced 3D editor within UE4?

[ioFlow_Studios]

I don’t understand why anyone would want to reinvent the wheel inside UE4?

Why wouldn’t you just learn Blender or Max or Maya?

[Zero-Night]

@ioFlow Studios;573790

I don’t understand why anyone would want to reinvent the wheel inside UE4?

Why wouldn’t you just learn Blender or Max or Maya?

Iteration speed. I know how to use Maya, but no matter how fast I get at it, it’ll always be faster to use BSP tools for blocking in a level and iterating on it, as opposed to worrying about the tedium of exporting/importing every mesh, setting up collision, and then finally being able to run around in-engine to properly judge something as simple as scale. An improvement to the usability and speed of those tools would go a long way to helping the workflow of the initial map design.

[Jason_Wanderer]

@Daniel.Wenograd;573868

Iteration speed. I know how to use Maya, but no matter how fast I get at it, it’ll always be faster to use BSP tools for blocking in a level and iterating on it, as opposed to worrying about the tedium of exporting/importing every mesh, setting up collision, and then finally being able to run around in-engine to properly judge something as simple as scale. An improvement to the usability and speed of those tools would go a long way to helping the workflow of the initial map design.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

~ Jason

[Jason_Wanderer]

@ioFlow Studios;573790

I don’t understand why anyone would want to reinvent the wheel inside UE4?

Why wouldn’t you just learn Blender or Max or Maya?

@ioFlow Studios;573790

I don’t understand why anyone would want to reinvent the wheel inside UE4?

Why wouldn’t you just learn Blender or Max or Maya?

Just to add onto what @Daniel.Wenograd said,

The last thing I want to do is create everything in an external 3D program to prototype a level, and then have to go back into that program if something doesn’t work.

It’s all about ease-of-use and having one program (UE4) instead of two to block out levels would be great.

That’s the reason maps in Source can be incredibly easy to make.

~ Jason

[Jason_Wanderer]

@MrGoatsy;573783

So basically a more advanced 3D editor within UE4?

In a sense; not on par with MAX, but something that can parallel Source engine tools would be great.

~ Jason

[Jason_Wanderer]

@franktech;573714

I’d send a large envelop containing lots of Benjamins to Tencent.
It certainly wouldn’t hurt Otherwise Geometry 2.0 is just a wish…
On a really long wishlist like Terrain-editing-in-runtime, vehicle-fixes…

You may want to send two envelopes…just in case.

~ Jason

P.S. I had no idea their backlog was so large…

[Jason_Wanderer]

@franktech;573801

No fan of BSP, but I’d love to see more mesh-editing tools like the level-editing options in Lumberyard.
UE4 offers scaling, rotation, auto-collision, fracturing, Lods, but not dragging of vertices, so why is that?

Other points: it’d be nice to be able to keep working in the same lighting system all the time (UE4 only).
With all reference meshes readily available for creative brainstorming or handy scale & style comparison.
Plus, you never have every Max & Maya source file needed for reference from 3rd party mesh packs etc…
And while you can use FBX export, its more work! (But one-click import / export for all 3D apps would help).

That said, overall I’d expect to see all MD’s wishlist above get completed first, but you always want more.

I haven’t really played around with Lumberyard (or Cryengine for that matter): What is their level editor like?

Is it similar to Hammer?

~ Jason

[ambershee]

Dude, you know you can multi-quote instead of making five posts in a row, right? Just hit the button on the right of ‘Reply with Quote’ to add anything to your quickly reply box.

[Jason_Wanderer]

@ambershee;574004

Dude, you know you can multi-quote instead of making five posts in a row, right? Just hit the button on the right of ‘Reply with Quote’ to add anything to your quickly reply box.

…That’s a joke, right?

~ Jason

[anonymous_user_1aee8eaf]

@Daniel.Wenograd;573868

Iteration speed. I know how to use Maya, but no matter how fast I get at it, it’ll always be faster to use BSP tools for blocking in a level and iterating on it, as opposed to worrying about the tedium of exporting/importing every mesh, setting up collision, and then finally being able to run around in-engine to properly judge something as simple as scale. An improvement to the usability and speed of those tools would go a long way to helping the workflow of the initial map design.

I would prefer something like Unity AssetPostprocessor implemented in UE4. You could then script everything to automate all that stuff, how it should be imported, how it should be instatiated etc.

[AE_3DFX]

@franktech;574194

Reminds me of Radiant… Linked to a YT clip above, here it is (Sci-Fi scene)

UE4 would be so amazing with Geo 2.0 similar like this and ideas from Quake.

Currently i very slowly build my favorite game multiplayer map example back from 2003 or so but Geo 2.0 would make things lot easier, i hate external 3d software use. It is just my personal project currently just for reminder.

[jojo8026]

@;574545

UE4 would be so amazing with Geo 2.0 similar like this and ideas from Quake.

Currently i very slowly build my favorite game multiplayer map example back from 2003 or so but Geo 2.0 would make things lot easier, i hate external 3d software use. It is just my personal project currently just for reminder.

Thats you could try probuilder when it comes to UE4