Lets not forget the plot of Sword Art Online (for those of you who dont know, its about a person who is trapped in a “full dive” MMORPG where if you die in the game, you die in real life) I know you didn’t want this to be about the anime, but we have to recognize that if this tech is made, something like the events of SAO could become a reality. If the tech was relesed to the public, there would have to be a flawless security system, witch is another issue.
Will there be pain
I dont think there will be pain but because say u got shot your body may react and make u feel hurt all though no actual pain occured
This “full dive” VR is possible and I can confidently say that it will arrive within the next 5 to 10 years. We have found signals outside of the brain used for movement with EEG and have successfully been able to decode the information and had a computer interpret it. People have been using EEG for years to control prosthetic limbs ( yes, I know most of the time people use implants but still, EEG has been used); and the sensory technology needed to be able to feel and hear the the game world is currently being developed for, you guessed it, prosthetic technology. All we need now is a way intercept the neural impulses / stop the body from moving safely and pain-free (so no comas or tasing) and you have your “full dive” VR just as you see it in the anime Sword Art Online.
Well i dont kniw how much any of you keep up with robotics and bio nedical engineering but recently there has been an “exo suit” created that take brain signals from the spinal cord and interprets them as motion for the device. Its been tested on human and does work but it does cost quite a bit. As far as motion sensing we do have the technology but i still cant begin to understand how to go around the visualization technology without hurting the brain with electrical inputs.
I kind of specked out what technology currently exists and what may still need to be developed to be able to start the development of a version 1 of a Full Immersion VR System. I also explain a little on how I think it should be to maybe keep it practical. I hope maybe you share my thoughts.
Full Immersion VR
Use visual prosthetics tech. to inject computer generated graphics to give visual of the world without screen
Use existing EEG tech. (Emotiv) to control player movement with full range
Use existing hearing implant tech. to inject computer generated sounds of the world without headphones
Remaining senses. Optional but will give true immersion
Touch
Taste
Smell
“Sixth” Sense
Abstract
By using hardware and technology that directly interfaces with the human brain, the user will be fully immersed. By bypassing human body parts, there will be no loss of information due to possibility of the users’ impairment. As a result the user may even feel like the virtual world is more real than the real world. This will also eliminate the possibility of vision/hearing damage that could be caused by hardware based equipment such as the Oculus rift and/or any brand of headphones.
The only exception to brain integration tech. that the system will use is the process of speech. I feel that the system for recognizing users’ speech should be a simple microphone. My argument for this feature is as follows:
Firstly, there are many reactions that a person experiences when speaking. While the person may not be fully aware that it is happening. These reactions help the person determine whether or not they are thinking to themselves of speaking out loud. What the person experiences as a result of speaking effects two senses, Touch and Sound/Hearing. Every word that is formed by a person uses muscles to create sound. This movement is felt by the person speaking. But even more important is the experience of hearing your own words. This reaction allows a person to determine many things about what they have just said, including volume, structure, and coherence. Taking away either of these reactions will hinder the full immersive feeling.
Second, recent research and tech. tells us that the two types of speech, inner and outer, create the same brain activity. Trying to create speech by reading brain waves without being able to distinguish between thought and outward speech can prove a big problem. Of course having your thoughts voiced uncontrollably in a virtual world will undoubtedly break immersion, it isn’t as big a concern as private thought being voiced to everyone around you. This could prove to be embarrassing and detrimental to the game. Also there is no way to be able to tell the volume at which the speech is to be expressed. Your brain waves won’t tell us if you are yelling or whispering.
Although it is possible to design the system in a way that will create the same reactions as normal speech does, I feel it would be a waste of effort to duplicate what the human body already does naturally when it doesn’t restrict any interaction. The only drawback that will result of this is that the user will need to remain fully aware of the real environment. The experience that the virtual world is the only one that the user is in will not be possible, meaning that any sound/feeling that does not come from or coincide with the virtual world will bring the user back to the real world awareness the way falling out of bed while sleeping does.
The last point about remaining fully aware of the real world outside of the virtual one may be a good thing in reference to Sword Art Online. The possibility of being trapped in a virtual world with no way to wake up is eliminated if the user is able to react to the real world. They could simply open their eyes and remove the equipment.
I’ve been checking VR updates lately and it made a huge progress. Since FB bought Oculus out and everyone is expecting for Oculus Rift in mid 2016 there should be some huge progress in comming year
I think something like this was in DIVERGENT movie where they solved tasks in VR 
Really such things will be available later than in 2020…
Just found this Oculus Rift mindblowing video link removed. Probably it’s what you call Total Immersion. But yes, technology is not there yet.
Ich habe eine gute Idee für Virtual full dive und ich werde vielleicht mit einem Freund ein Projekt dazu starten und Sponsoren suchen weil das ehr teuer wird meint ihr das ginge überhaubt ?
Full Dive Virtual Reality concept
To be able to achieve a Full Dive I feel a system similar to that of the anime Sword Art Online could be possible. The head gear would have to read the signals the brain transmits. I have seen something from Japan that can read the signal which is just cat ears you put on your head and when you think of them moving they move. The head gear would also have to induce a type of paralysis similar to that which the brain induces when you sleep so that you don’t move like you do in your dreams. It would also have to send signals to your brain in order for your brain to think it is seeing, feeling, tasting, etc. everything that is happening in the game. This is a downside though because it could be very dangerous if someone found a way to use this to send what they wanted into people’s brains. The security would have to be very high in order to prevent this.
A while back I was following the development of VR technologies and stumbled apon this in it’s infancy, but today it looks quite promising if coupled with something like a rift and haptic gloves/suit to simulate the feeling of the environment
So I think what needs to be figured out first is a few key things to achieve the basics of full dive VR.
1: We need to be able to stimulate the parts of the brain that gives you the visuals of dreams and be able to show whats in the game instead while keeping any senses working.
2:We need to Be able cause the part of the brain that causes movement to be redirected or stopped in some way.
3:Another is the ability to wake up or dive at will at any time.
We need a device that can achieve these. Jeremyishere the serums in DIVERGENT use serums but that isn’t practical since you still need to be able to controll what you see and wake up at any time. That’s why a device is needed.
I am a gamer and have watched SAO and would love to play games with a real life full dive system, I have looked a lot into real world full dive and found that a lot of people are looking into full dive, but I have yet to find any company that has said they are actually building/working on a full dive system, dose anyone know if a company has taken on the task of building a full dive system?
I agree with your points and they have solid evidence but you left out the sense of touch.
If you have also read the previous statements they talk about the ability to not feel pain; well the problem with that is that you cant just get rid of pain.
Pain is a more severe version of us just normally touching an object.
When we feel things nerves in our skin, hair, etc… sends a signal to our brain on how to react and to incorporate the data given. Part of pain is literally the same thing but just an overwhelming version of it. Since the nerves would react greater to pain it sends a stronger signal to our brain telling us that it is pain.
In order for a full dive with no pain to work we would have to take away the feel of touch or find a way to send a signal that wont register into our body. like lets say if someone hit you and the very instant there is contact it would have to send a signal or something that would not allow the mind to pick up the feeling at all and then when the person has with drawled then it would return to normal. But the system would have to be incredibly fast in order for there to not be problems.
During REM sleep — the deep sleep where most recalled dreams occur — your eyes continue to move but the rest of the body’s muscles are stopped, potentially to prevent injury. In a series of experiments, University of Toronto neuroscientists Patricia L. Brooks and John H. Peever, PhD, found that the neurotransmitters gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA) and glycine caused REM sleep paralysis in rats by “switching off” the specialized cells in the brain that allow muscles to be active. This finding reversed earlier beliefs that glycine was a lone inhibitor of these motor neurons.
That would make for some horrifying horror games, I’d have to pass.
Virtual Reality 2015-2025
Wearables 2015-2025
Virtual Reality is the Input focused part
Wearables is the Output focused part
2025-2035 Brain Chips - Humans fully I/O interfaced
2035+ Singularity.
Heads Up: There’s this thing called the Mark Of The Beast.
Rather than taking pain out you would need to dampen it or maybe dampen in company but not when exploring
So, I’ve been thinking a lot about this. The way I see it, the most logical way off pulling something like this off would require a system capable of a few things.
- Cutting off specific motor functions from the brain to the body (parts that signal the nervous system to move limbs, speak, etc.) while leaving all automatic functions untouched (respiratory system, circulatory system, etc.)
- Sending wireless signals with pinpoint precision to specific sections of the brain to simulate sensory input (sight and sound being the obvious necessity, but touch, taste and smell could, theoretically, be simulated through the same process)
- It would have to be able to do all of this for extended periods of time (possibly days) without overheating or otherwise causing any kind of trauma to the brain.
As to what kind of “wireless transmission” system could be used for communicating with the brain, the most obvious seem like either microwave or radio waves, but neither have been proven entirely safe.
I think it’s entirely possible to achieve all of this without the dreaded “microchip-in-the-brain” scenario ever manifesting, but this technology could also have many other applications, including digital restoration of senses to a person who is blind or deaf or even has prosthetic limbs.
This technology is very exciting to me as a gamer, but even these ideas probably pale in comparison to the kind of work actually necessary to accomplish such a task.
Honestly I think people look at these things the wrong way. I came to this thread looking for new ideas that could help us make it possible but all I found was a bunch of people talking about how its not possible. diamond took this in another direction by bringing a new and growing science to the table, this is what people should be doing.
I have been going from forum to forum trying to find people who are ready to take this seriously so if you do want to take this seriously then contact me at