FAB feedback as a customer and a seller

Apologies in advance if this post ends up quite lengthy - I have quite a lot of thoughts on the current state of FAB at launch and feel quite deeply dissatisfied with decisions made, lack of communication and so on and want to make an attempt to provide some feedback as I imagine that if there is a time that Epic are looking for it, its probably now.

Some background on me - I’ve been selling products on the UE marketplace since 2016, shortly after it fully opened up to the public, and have used it to supplement my income quite reliably in that time. I also use it as a customer, thought admittedly quite infrequently, and feel like I have a pretty good handle on how this current version of the storefront fails both sellers and customers quite badly.

So as for the feedback…

Reviews and Ratings

This has been covered by a lot of other people but its such an important issue I feel the need to outline exactly why the decisions made have been very detrimental. For starters, a single number metric is quite meaningless overall. While you can use it to roughly gauge a product, in general the written reviews are far more useful. Many 5 star ratings were left by friends of the developers, many 1 star ratings were left by angry customers who didn’t know what they were doing and misread, or didn’t read, product descriptions. Additionally, a lot of products were abusing the review system to verify customer purchases and some products had literally hundreds of 5 star reviews because the developer does not provide documentation or support until the customer reviews the product. Now that the review text has been removed, customers have absolutely no way to know if these ratings are legitimate or not, and those developers now have been given a massive boost over those of us who utilized the review system legitimately and worked hard to earn proper reviews from customers legitimately happy with their purchase.

With this change - as a customer there is no longer any way to know if a product is legitimately good or has been abusing the review system in any way, and as a seller there is no longer any way to know why a customer might leave a review whether that is positive or negative, and thus hard to know what you can do to improve your product and address customer-specific concerns.

I understand that you have plans for a new review system, but that is simply not good enough. If FAB was not ready to launch, it should not have been launched, or efforts should have been made to bring over the old content customers and sellers rely on to make informed decisions in the meantime.

Questions Gone

Similar to the reviews - the question section was an incredibly useful resource as a customer to know if a developer actually cared about their product. Many products had a huge amount of unanswered questions and this made it clear that you had to be cautious about purchasing that product if it seemed likely to be something you may need support with. Removing this is a massively negative decision that, again, hurts customers ability to make informed purchasing decisions.

Additionally, now the only way to get support is via email or discord reviews, and so many marketplace creators just do not check or reply to emails. I know this as I have reached out to many over the years without response. Some people do not use discord, or don’t want to join a million discords (one for each product) and some developers do not even offer real-time solutions like discord servers. The questions were a great solution for this and their loss in this regard is very unfortunate and overall reduces the value of the marketplace.

Product Publish Dates

All products have recent publish dates, regardless of when they were originally released. My product from 2016 is now listed as being published on October 13th 2024, as that was the date I migrated it over to FAB. This unfairly sets customer expectations that the product is a recent one, and not one that has been in maintenance mode for many years now, and is going to invariably end up in customers being upset (rightly so) and wasted time and resources on my end explaining that its an old product. I understand that this is likely a design issue that cannot be easily resolved now, but this is a huge oversight that hurts both customers and sellers.

Removal of Wishlists

Again, this issue has been covered by a lot but yet again - its such a huge oversight that I feel it bears repeating here. This should not have happened. Visibility on the marketplace was already bad (arguably its now worse on FAB), and wishlists were a great way to keep an eye on a bunch of products for sales. The fact that they were deleted overnight is already bad enough - but there was no warning that this was the case. Many of us reasonably assumed that, as it took many years for wishlists to be added - they would not simply disappear like this and FAB would launch with wishlists. Again - I know that you have plans to implement something similar in the future, but that is simply not good enough. As mentioned above - if FAB was not ready for launch, it should not have launched.

I am aware we can contact you guys via a form and request a PDF of our wishlists, but this shouldn’t have happened. If you were going to remove wishlists then an automated system should have been set up to do this instantly, and you should have let us know this was coming.

Removal of Filtering Options

In combining many marketplaces, it has made filtering a now larger well of content more important, and yet we have had vital filtering options removed. The biggest issue as an Unreal Engine user is the inability to filter by engine version. Right now if I search for a product, I have no way of knowing if the search results will be compatible with any version of the engine other than clicking on each individual result and scrolling down to check. This is made worse by the fact that all products are also “new” due to the publish date issue, so you can’t even take a guess by sorting by newest. Customers are absolutely going to make purchases and then find out that they cannot use a product with this setup. There are many other filtering options that have been removed, and the current setup makes it incredibly cumbersome to find what you want.

Copyright Issues

If you search for Dragonball Z, Star Wars, Mario, etc. right now you can find a huge amount of content that is not legal to be sold on a marketplace such as this. Some of it is fan made, but a lot of it is directly ripped from games and in most cases the creators aren’t even pretending that they made it - a lot have things like “All rights belong to ” or “I didn’t make this model and intend no copyright infringement”. This is absolutely appalling and I have no idea how this even happened - surely this is a massive legal risk to Epic directly… I know sketchfab in particular was full of issues like this prior, but I would have assumed they would be addressed BEFORE launching FAB.

Many of these assets have varied publish dates and multiple prices for their licences, suggesting that the “creator” did in fact choose to migrate the content over to FAB. When I did this with my UE Marketplace content, it took a little time and one product was flagged for an issue, so presumably there was some manual oversight to this process - how did all this content get by this?

Share Feature Broken

The current share button displayed on each product is broken. When you click share you are provided a short link that goes to an error page. When this was raised by people on the forums, people were told to try different browsers and asked what specific products exhibited this issue, but I haven’t seen a single product that shares correctly when tried so unless this was not tested, at all, I have no idea how this was launched in this state.

Substance 3D Promotion Abuse

Launching with an offer like 6 months of Substance Painter is great, and I don’t think anyone would be upset at the “spend $25 or more” requirement. But allowing people to upload a single listing to get this promotion for free is so incredibly shortsighted. People are uploading photoscans of objects on their desk with zero effort making them usable, I’m sure there are a bunch of creative commons assets, etc. and its just encouraging the marketplace to be flooded with garbage for free codes for the promotion. The fact that no one seems to have raised that this would happen is, frankly, unbelievable as it should have been immediately clear this would be an issue.

Some additional thoughts

Its incredibly frustrating to me, as a seller, that no real communication was made on this whole process ahead of time. We had no idea things were coming on any specific day, we had no real insight into how everything would work - if you check the forums there is still discussions where people don’t know if the old sales report is still working or not. That Epic could not have simply reached out, even with 24 hours notice to cover some of this, is really disappointing. So little effort was made to communicate with your business partners on this venture.

There are a few nice changes I can mention… The overall design of the FAB storefront is nicer to look at than the old UE marketplace, and finally being able to hide AI content from search results is a wonderful change. But all this is overshadowed by poor search results, worse visibility options than before, bad communication, a loss of consumer tools, and so much more.

FAB simply does not seem ready to launch, and it should not have been launched. At the very least you could have kept older marketplace up, even redirecting to FAB for new purchases, to allow people to have the tools needed to make informed purchases.

I really hope that big changes are coming for this storefront , but this has been a massively disappointing release and judging by the UE reddit, the forum posts on this page, discussions in discord servers I’m in, etc. - that is the overwhelming feeling about this whole thing. The above list is far from exhaustive, and its very easy, just scrolling these forums, to find a laundry list of other issues that people have. These are just the major ones I see as an issue and feel like chiming in on. Above all, I no longer feel like I can make purchases on this marketplace due to copyright concerns, a lack of consumer information, seller accountability and so on. And I feel as a seller that I should expect my sales to drop to zero because if I don’t feel like I can safely make purchases, why should I expect anyone else to.

Very good write up and I agree with it! I would also add to this that search and rankings are brokens right now and favour strongly assets with very short descriptions and don’t look like they take into account titles or tags.

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Yeah… as I mentioned in the last section - this list is definitely not everything. I personally really dislike the infinite scrolling and filters resetting on each new query too… Everything just feels like a step backwards from the UE marketplace before it and that was already quite a basic storefront as it was. Its incredibly frustrating how many poor decisions and oversights are present in this launch though. I really hope it gets resolved but it just never should have happened in the first place.

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Well said.

Like you I expected so much more from the Fab launch. But my experience from day 1 of the store opening has been horrible, someone is selling my models, but that aside, it seems Fab hasn’t got its ducks in a row.
I’m puzzled as to why they launched when it seems it’s not ready. Even the search function throws random stuff you have to look through to find what you’re looking for.

Oh well…let’s hope it gets on track very soon.

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Oh wow thats horrible. I hope you can get them to resolve that asap!

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its realy feel like fab was not ready to launch

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Nope I don’t think it will be!
There are reasons, one is to do with the Certification of Copyright ( whatever that is) that I have to get before they are taken down.
Anyhow I have put a post on here looking for help…but apart from one suggestion from a member, no other help as yet.
Which is of course really annoying knowing that seller is selling my models.

I dunno…all part of the fun selling on Fab huh?

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I find myself missing the old UEM and the wishlist with its limit of 200 items. While I recognize that Fab is revolutionary in combining various popular platforms, the user experience has significantly declined, especially on launch day. It was enticing, but ultimately quite disappointing. I hope things, bugs, plugins, integration with UE launcher , etc will be resolved soon , and our wishlist.

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Send to Epic DMCA takedown notice. They can’t ignore that. Their reporting system is broken and serves only one purpose IMO: to reduce workload on user reports.

the fab search is broken because it work with letter and not word example if you try to look for “tower” you will also get de result for “power” because “ower” is in common.

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I started the process of a takedown but because of that certification of copyright I can go on no further.
As I say, I have a post on here Help with reporting and copyright certificate

although I’m not holding out to much hope on it.

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Just prepare your takedown notice and sent it directly to dmca@support.epicgames.com

Edit: To be less brief. By ‘just’ I meant to put in the work. It’s a legal process they can’t ignore. Read relevant US laws about it, find some explanation and examples (or hire a lawyer) and prepare your notice and sent it. They might (IIRC correctly) they will forward it to the offending party (with your data included) though and allow them to respond. If the other party says that they own it, you will get data from Epic about the other party and you can sue them directly (Epic is 3rd party in all of this, they shouldn’t act as judges). Ofc I’m not a lawyer, but I’m speaking from experience (having issued DMCA notices to Valve two times in the past, and got my stolen content removed from steam workshop).

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Thanks for the help.
I’ve never had to do it before. All sounds a bit confusing and full of legal stuff I don’t understand. I’m not sure what to do now. I know what I want to do but…I suppose that’s what people like that hope for!

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It really is confusing and was supper stressful when I did it for the first time. Some people would even claim it’s not worth the hassle if the damage is not huge… asset piracy was a thing for a long time btw (eg. my stuff is ‘out there’ on multiple piracy sites :frowning: … basically all of old marketplace is out there shared somewhere… some sites even charge subscriptions for access :|)

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It’s going to be really annoying competing on the same platform against my own model, on the very same page, just a couple of thumbnails above mine, YES, one of the models is placed higher than mine on the page, in a competition I’m going to lose because that person is selling my model for less than half of what I am!

Oh well…

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Hi
I’m a marketplace creator too.

With respect, About the question page I disagree with you since the question page of my products in Unreal Marketplace were filled with people trying to bargain or try to advertise their products by mentioning the name of their products in my question page.
Let’s not mentioned the numerous bullies in the question page who could not afford my products and left negative comments in the question page to reduce their anger. It had lost it’s usability.

I call it bullies and abusers page instead of question page and I think it was a good idea to delete the question page. It reduces the sales and become a place for unfair comments instead of questions.

About the FAB lunch and it’s problems I faced a few bugs too and I reported them and I think it’s normal to expect seeing bugs in the first weeks of fab but overall I think it looks ready to be lunched.

It’s just have a few bugs which need to be resolved and I’m sure epic will do it in a few weeks.

About the copyright I’m sorry to hear that and I’ve see some copyrighted assets in fab too.
For example Cars, There are many 3D cars in fab which I guess the creators don’t have a permission to model those cars from the car factories. But I think Fab should not be held responsible for it unless the car factory asks those assets to be deleted.

Overall the unreal marketplace is still small and needs to grow and I think fab will do that for us.
I think after a few months fab will bring many new buyers to the unreal market place.

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While your questions may have been full of that, the majority were not. Looking at the questions on your product (as they are still available on orbital-market.com), there are some helpful ones in there but yes the majority are people complaining that you are selling a model pack for $999 - which probably should be expected as there were very few items on the marketplace for that price (not saying that you shouldn’t be charging that - I don’t know anything about the product so I can’t make that judgement - just saying that in the marketplace we had, asking that price - I’m not surprised of the reaction). The actual point aside, that’s a failing on epic’s moderation, not the questions system themselves. A huge amount of questions on products were full of helpful questions, suggestions, pre-purchase enquiries, etc. All of which are useful to both customers and seller. But there were certainly a lot of useless questions around too. I reported a bunch… and epic either let the reports sit there for months, or did nothing about them and closed the case. Again - the failure there is on the moderation, not the feature itself. I know for a fact that the question section on my products got me sales because people have voiced that they saw how responsive and helpful I was in there and felt comfortable taking the chance on a product because of that.

For the rest of your comment - I just don’t think a “few bugs” even remotely covers the current state of thing. But you are certainly welcome to disagree. I think my original post makes a case for quite a lot of serious issues but hopefully, as you say, they do resolve that.

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I agree with you about the fact that’s a moderation issue.
I reported some of the questions too and as you mentioned it Nothing happened however they were calling me a fraud, Scan, Money laundering and …

So I reached the conclusion that people can send me emails and ask their questions if I place my email under my products and I did so. And only real customers send me emails.

About expecting the reactions you indicated, Well, such reactions can destroy the unreal marketplace.

I think it’s not right to expect a creator to expect such reactions!
It’s a marketplace not a bargaining room or fight room.

On other marketplaces there are many AAA artists who are selling their products with a high price per 3D model. No one can react to their price. Those who can afford their products, Buy them, Those who can’t leave the page. There’s no space such as the question page for reactions to the price!

But on epic marketplace, All the poor people from around the globe who can not afford your product, could react to your price and give you a bad feeling about epic marketplace!
All the Bullies could do it since there is not a good moderation.
All the kids how are hobbits could do that.
And the content creators who are not good players, abuse the question page and make it look like a fight room. You indicated that the reviews have the same issue too.

So, The AAA creators probably will decide to leave epic marketplace due to these reactions. I think that’s the reason behind not seeing enough AAA creators on Epic marketplace.

I think mentioning you email or discord page is a better way for showing the real customers how supportive you are and getting rid of bullies, Abusers, unfair people who misuse the question page.

Maybe we can not agree about the question page, But I think as you mentioned about the review system getting abused, we agree that The question page is an easier place for abusers and bad actors . Writing on it, Is free and one person can easily create multiple accounts to abuse it while the same person need to spend money to abuse the review system!
Which one is a better place for bad actors?

I think we are getting a bit sidetracked anyway. The questions system had issues - no arguements there. Issues that Epic absolutely have the resources to rectify via moderation, upvoting, verifying accounts, or any of the other tried and true systems that everywhere else had. But I don’t want to end up derailing the thread, and I think we are largely in agreement for the most part anyway.

I just wanted to clarify - I wasn’t saying that their reactions to your pricing were fair or warranted, or that its fair to expect that. Just that knowing the market as it was, higher prices like that (again - even where warranted) have always unfortunately been controversial. Something that -might- be resolved with regional pricing but also may not, I’m not really sure how you solve that one sadly.

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there is something easier question can be erased by the product creator they are not review so removing them after the buyer get a answer is not a issue.
A removing a review is more problematic since its a review but i dont get why question can not be erased.

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