[SUPPORT] Advanced Turn Based Tile Toolkit

[Hyaniner]

Hey HyalineV, I’ll have to try to remember how the toolkit was a few years ago, but I’ll do my best.

Hmm, not sure what exactly is happening. Is this an issue that only happens when Pregenerate is on, though? I don’t recommend using pregenerate for anything other than some forms of debugging. I originally made it as a way to improve performance (by not having to generate the grid again at runtime). However, I later learned that this only works in the editor, and in a packaged project there will be no performance improvement. I only kept it in the toolkit so you can visualize grid indexes and edges in the editor when debugging your game. If you enable pregenerate the grid manager will keep the edges and indexes it had when it was last modified or compiled, and with the way you switch it on and off and switch between different kinds of heightmap settings it is hard to know what exactly is happening here. If this only happens when pregenerate is on I suggest you just leave it off.

Ah… I thought pregenerate is needed to me, but it was wrong. After I hear your said, specially “this only works in the editor”, I decide to turn off pregenerate. That problem is happened just when I turn on pregenerate. At now, there is no problem. Thank you!

I had to tell you more clearer. I’m really sorry. It’s my bad.

But if you have more information, there will be better, as my thought. I heard that - there is always potential possibility about hidden bug, So information about bug always has own value. I heard like this, from programmers nearby me. In this reason, I will tell you about this. If you don’t need, just forget it.

1. Install unreal engine 4.17
2. Create a project with ATBTT.
3. And open the project.
4. You can see Map_Grid_Example.
5. Select grid manager, and set these option at same time, in grid manager.

• Pregenerate Gameplay Grids

• Heightmap (to one level or multilevel)

1. And Play. Then, these symptom will be happened.

• Character can not move anywhere.

• Markers had to be appeared where character can go to. But There is no marker.

• When I move mouse cursor on grids, spline had to be displayed. But it is not displayed.

If just one option in my describe below is set to turn off or set differently, at least, then character can move, and grid manager will work correctly. For reproducing symptom, these combination is needed in grid manager, in old version.

• Hex grid (Already on in Map_Grid_Example.)
• Set SM_Tile_Hex as default mash. (Already this is set in Map_Grid_Example, too.)
• Pregenerate Gameplay Grids
• Heightmap (to one level or multilevel )

2 months is not a lot of time, especially when you’re learning the tools as you go, so make sure to keep a very tight focus and throw out any ideas that are not essential to your prototype. I’ll do my best to help you along, though.

Too bad to hear that you find the old version that much simpler. I can understand it, though. The current toolkit is a lot more modular and powerful than the older versions, and a lot less stuff is hard coded to enable simpler modification. This did come at the cost of making it less immediately straightforward. This is exacerbated by the fact that my oldest videos became outdated. My later videos have been an attempt to start building up a new tutorial series that combines theory and practical examples, but I still have a lot more to make there before it covers all of the toolkit’s features.

I understand your pain. With two months you had to prioritize and chose the version that was simpler to grasp. It is too bad you were not given more time, so you could have spent a few more days learning the new features of the toolkit. They are more difficult to understand immediately, but once you have learned them they make many things easier.

Really really thank you so much for your words, and your understanding. You won’t know how much your words are helpful for me. In fact, last night, I tryed again to understand latest version of toolkit, with some courage. I feel - maybe I can do what I did more faster than my thought, with toolkit with multiplayer functionality. It might be possible for me, to make fog of war, with updating with character’s each move for one grid to grid, as same as my work, with ability system in latest ATBTT, in my thought. I decided to try it.

Added by edit: I’m looking at BP_StealthSystem now. For fog of war, here looks better start point than ability system.

Heightmaps should work in the version you are using, but maybe there is some old bug in that version that I have forgotten. I need a bit more information. If Pregenerate is off and heightmap is enabled do you still have problems? What are those problems specifically?

I described at upper more details, but at now, I decide to not use pregenerate function. Do more work would be not necessary, as my thought.

I’m glad you enjoyed working on it! Programming games is a lot of fun. I’m more or less addicted to game programming, so welcome to the club

Last three weeks was magical time for me. Rollercoaster of emotions, lots of things learned, happiness when I see what I did works well… how addicted!

I have considered making a simplified version, for the reason you describe, but it would be too much work to maintain two different versions. The action system also does a lot more than simply enable simple replication for multiplayer. That is mostly a side benefit. The best thing about the action system is that it allows you to put a lot of stuff in an action queue in the same tick and then have it play out asynchronously.

The alternative to this is to have a spaghetti code chain of abilities calling functions and event dispatchers back and forth between various blueprints in a way it is easy to lose track of and cumbersome to code. I know it might look simpler to not use it, but with the old system the code in your final game would likely look a lot more complicated. I’ve decided that the toolkit I make is the one I would personally want to use to make my own games.

I try to keep it is beginner friendly as possible within these constraints, but I try to never compromise when it comes to the toolkit’s flexibility, performance and iteration speed for experienced developers.

I can totally understand your said. Maintaining two different version will be nightmare for you. And someday, or more sooner, maybe that performance will be need for me, too. I agree you totally. And from your point of view, making your own game, must be most important thing.

Looks very cool Thanks for sharing your videos.

Thank you very much! Your words make me more confidence!

Yeah, that is a problem. No idea why subtitles are not enabled there. They are automatically generated by YouTube, but I don’t know why they are not for that video. There is a maximum video length for subtitle generation, but that should be much higher. I’ll investigate and see if there is anything I can do.

There is something like sound of cooling fan in your tutorial video. In my thought, change of noise looks like to disturb making subtitles. It’s just my guess. If I am you, I will make that video again, with the same content, and with keeping mic away from PC. Just consider it please.

Still, I don’t know whether… it might be good for me if I try to latest ATBTT with multiplayer functionality. Or keeping work with old version might be better for me. This is big worry for me. But, I have more understanding about blueprint, and unreal engine now, unlike when I started this. I have liitle bit deeper understanding for ATBTT, too now. As like as starting this whole works was tough, but as like it was good challenging and good experience for me, It might be good experience for me, too. Or it would be not? This makes me headache, painful, but anyway I had to make descision… I will try to make same thing with latest version of ATBTT.

There is another reason why I want to try latest version of ATBTT with multiplay functionality. I want to make all player unit move first at same phase, and then enemy moves happen next. But this is already made in latest version of toolkit, as “BP_TurnManager_Strategy”. And, when I make that fog of war, the performance issue make me difficult. In old version, by using your slow loop, I solved this. And I had a thought to modify old version like latest version in just only grid manager. As my thought, latest version looks got more performance than older version. If I success to understand and to use latest version, I don’t need to optimization work in old version. In this reason, trying to latest version looks better… If my thought looks wrong to you, please tell me.

Thank you for all of these. If I have something to ask, I will post again. Thank you!