I suspected…yarrr ok I just thought hey I have this tool…and it could do more effects than I can easily in eclipse but the amount of overhead I did not test either…I do love how simple it is to make a 3d environment, I mean, amazing! But…yeah…well I thank you for the response and will fire up eclipse to crank this out quick n easy while I plan my first VR app for the engine instead (which is planned out, I just got sidetracked lol) but vielen dank! And you were right I was very surprised at the forum climate…I am just older and used to feel like I am babysitting in most game forums 