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Hey Tom,

interesting post.
You hit the nail on the head.
Only point I disagree is the price you spend on 2 yrs RC Basic: it’s 800 (4x99x2). :geek:
But that’s just splitting hairs.

I do think that RC excells on two more important aspects: sky and dark corners.
With photoscan, you have to mask the sky entirely, otherwise you are screwed. With RC - no issue at all. Same is true for dark corners which are almost impossible to avoid with complex geometry (e.g. buildings) if you don’t want to spend weeks for lighting each shot. In Photoscan, this will result in ugly black noise, even if you have the areas covered well lit in enough images. RC has no problem with these parts whatsoever.
In addition to that, I have not noticed any difficulties with changing objects in the set like birds, people or even my backpack and the occasional tip of my shoe… :oops:

Oh, and I absolutely share your big praise for Wishgranter!!!
To be honest, he was the reason why I looked into the software so early on - being one of the most helpful outside members in the agisoft forum.
*BOTH THUMBS UP*

So PS has to tweak a bit more than just the speed-screw… :mrgreen:

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I had no idea laser support wasnt included in the 3 month version - was going to keep doing experiments with the software exactly for this feature.
It does not mean I have a laser scanner, but I have access to one which is fun.
I agree with some of the other guys about the pricing, I’d be happy with the 2500 images + laser scan support - especially since I have to export everything to PTX! yuck :slight_smile: and I agree that CLI is an advanced feature that is worth the money in the advanced version.
Having already spent 4K on photoscan after months of testing (seriously it took 12 months) I find that most of the features I use now are actually available on the basic version. The other problem is the Australian dollar is so bad right now I will never buy anything above 1K. I own zbrush, Adobe suite, 3D coat etc and all those packages are under 1K.

Its possible CapturingReality simply started the price high, because once you drop the price you cannot go back up :slight_smile:

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Hi Jon,
Under compare products it looks like the Promo supports Images and/or Laser-Scans.

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Hey John,

Bill is right.
I was talking about MY specific needs, which don’t include Laser data atm.
Sorry for the confusion!

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My 2 cents.
I’m a freelancer and have PS pro. I only use it occasionally for some of my work and it works good for that. CapturingReality still needs to get rid of some of the kinks and to develop the documentation. When it does, the benefits I see for using RC are it’s speed and ability to handle more photos. I will purchase the Promo option if I have a project that warrants using it over PS pro. I would also consider the other options if I did more of this type of work and it generated sufficient funds.

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Thanks guys. In that case I’m pretty happy with the promo version for now!

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Same here - as much as I would like to spend a bit more for a bit more… :wink:

Speaking of PROMO.
I have been wondering if it is an option that will not be available indefinitely.
Could someone disperce my concerns? :slight_smile:

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Wishgranter wrote:

PM me on milos.lukac@capturingreality.com so we can talk what can be done to improve-optimize it…

Thanks for your offer! What would you need to know? Should i send you images of the object? PM or mail?

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Hi numerobis

Yes img data, so can say what can be done and not just talk about it… :smiley:

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Speaking of PROMO.

its just name as we have not figure how we should name it for now…

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The name is fine - just sounds like it could be limited, that’s all.
If it isn’t, all the better! :smiley:

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Hi folks,

Why all of the guys in this forum compare RC vs Photoscan ? Someone has used Pix4dmapper “7500€/perpetual or 2500€/year” or ContextCapture “7900€/perpetual” (Smart3dCapture from Acute3D sold to Bentley in 2015) ? I think the real competitor of RC is ContextCapture, in terms of speed, quality and robustess of the models. And check for the new israeli amazing software…

Regards

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yup a good point

but if take a deeper look the 7,5k license can process say 1500-1700 x 18 Mpix imgs as its per 30 Gpix limited.
the 99 EUR version is limited to 2500 images and can use even 200+ Mpix cameras ( large cam )
For the speed from our testing we are 2-3 times faster on single PC

for the quality that is for longer discussion :smiley:

and they cannot process terrestrial laser data…

Not to speak about price if need process more than 30 Gpix of data… we are much cheaper in short and longterm…

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Wishgranter wrote:

Hi Warren Schultz

its like in TRIAL version up to 31.1. so when need EXPORT need to be connected. Not for recon and etc…
Just for export…

Are you limiting installs to a single PC like the preview version? (If you’re selling the option to pre-process in the field and bring the project back to the office for full pricing, that sounds like two licenses are required?)
can switch licenses from PC to PC but at least for now its limited how much times can switch per year

I’m more than a little disappointed.
every new tech cost a lot…
so the 2500 imgs/scanns version for 99 EUR is not enough ?

Tom’s post on page 2 of the thread seems like a really good analysis of the pricing. I won’t reiterate everything he said, but for my use, here’s the short version:

Online processing seems unnecessary, and I have been places that I’ve needed to export without internet connection. I also have future plans where internet is known to be unreliable. Long story, but true.

Switching license limitations is something that Adobe used to do, and realized what a usage problem it was for people. As a freelancer, if I am paying for the lowest-end version, I’m not going to want to have my capture laptop tied up with processing. I want to load it up on my workstation and let that process while I do other work (in other programs) on my laptop. Autodesk and Adobe both have their systems. 3DS Max allows license transfer via online mechanism, Creative Cloud allows for two workstations (desk/laptop) per user license. Yes, you can theoretically make more money by locking that down, but you lose goodwill with customers, because it tells them you don’t trust them to respect the licensing agreement.

My only other comment regarding pricing is that the 99EUR for freelancers is frustrating, because if I am working a project, I rarely have a three month stretch of time that I need to use a piece of software. A per-month charge makes much more sense, with a discount for people who use it an entire year. (See Adobe’s model, which allows a lower monthly payment, with penalty for cancelation.)

The other issue I have was noted elsewhere in the thread: without demo export capabilities, I cannot tell if the OBJ export bug I ran into in the beta has been resolved.

All that being said, I’m really impressed with what I saw so far in the beta, otherwise I wouldn’t be taking the time to reply. It’s a very nice piece of software, I just feel like there are a few things that need to be taken care of for me to buy in.

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Hi rivet,

interesting point - I guess because some of us didn’t know these competitors? :slight_smile:
Another one is that imho with photoscan you get more for the buck, especially with the basic version, so it’s just more well known with enthusiasts and freelancers who don’t use it exclusively an therefore can’t afford the ones you mentioned.
Another one is that I think many people who got involved here are looking for alternative programmers or rather specialised software. I personally am not a fan of huge companies like Autodesk and Bentley (which excludes one of your examples for me) because there is almost nothing you can do as a small customer, whereas here you chat with the guys more or less directly.
Btw, the Israelian one you’re talking about is Datumate, right?

Wishgranter,
which one are you talking about? All of them? :smiley:
Speed is very important, but even more so is memory consumption in which your app excells over Photoscan, too, as far as I can tell. How would you judge the diference to the above mentioned competitors?
Their hardware specs seem rather modest.

Back to the topic:
What I find very nifty are some pricing options, namely the monthly one - have you guys considered that at all?

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Hey Warren,

I think “online” only means that they want your statistics like it was before with the beta.
That seems fair to me.
If it isn’t implemented yet it shouldn’t be hard to store them somewhere and send them once you are back online.
What I can’t entirely agree with you is the criticism of 99 € for 3 months.
Even though I am also on a tight budget sometimes, I really think in a professional environement this kind of expenditure should not be an issue. My question about monthly rent was aimed at the full version…

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I think 99/3 months in principle is fairly ok, although I’m missing educational pricing options which pretty much every competitor has (Autodesk has given me free unlimited access to ReCap since early beta, Photoscan standard edu is next to nothing, and that’s a lot of bang for the buck!). And honestly, although RC looks very promising, I wouldn’t pay a single euro for software without support as long as there is no user manual and I don’t know what 95% of the settings are for! I’ve done a bit of comparative testing since I discovered RC just last week, and without knowing how to twist the parameters I don’t get consistently better results than competing solutions. Thin features are better, flat surfaces are worse. Complex terrain is better, single small objects are worse. Maybe it’s all down to settings, but how will I know? Even in my position I can’t spend the better part of the semester trying to find out (completely tying down one of my workstations in the meantime).

Once proper documentation is available I’ll happily pay 400/year for the features. 7500? Unlikely.

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Hi Trond Kasper Mikkelsen

We try make at least initial price release so the ones who need it can buy it already. We just get to open public in last 3 months so hope you could fully test the RC solution and can see its benefits. we had big customers in state level heritage project where the RC was used over 3 years and they could process over 1 milion 3D objects with “few licenses”.
So its very powerful solution, if know our competitors then know their limitations, and so hope we give you more freedom on ordinary PC with ease.

Can im ask you what sort of school are doing you study ?
for what purpose planning to use the RealityCapture ??

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For the HELP file

is use F1 get help file directly in application. Yes it not covering every part of the sw but for you work mostly need just to change points detected per images and get good captured cameras with simple photogrmmetric use in mind. Not need cahnge anything in meshing use NORMAL or HIGH and get best possible results. the meshing part is very well designed and from the years of use we need to change them in just very specific cases that causal user not get into…

If need help im very well known person who is willing to help you out if stuck somewhere in the process. so feel free to ask in the forum if get in some issues with RC …

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I think it would be interesting to offer the full version monthly or even weekly (then could just get a few license and run over multiple machines).

most of the time I think I’ll be ok with 99 version. or will have to work around that.

but there are a few things I’d like to do that will use a lot more. but won’t need it very often.