Is Money Really The Reason Why Piracy Is So Popular In India?

Read this article. http://asidcast.com/2015/08/21/is-money-really-the-reason-why-piracy-is-so-popular-in-india/

here is the juicy part…

"No leaders In The Industry:

Whether you agree or not, we don’t have enough dedicated media websites covering the game industry in India nor do we have famous personalities such as TotalBiscuit or Jimquisition in the industry who can tell their fellow Indian gamers in this country not to pirate video games and also what the side effects of piracy entail. Having role models is always important and they can honestly be anyone in the industry today, however, people need to step up for that role and not sit back and expect it to happen."

"No Sense of Community:

In my opinion, I do think that the lack of a unified community of Indian gamers, or even a connected community of gamers, leads to most gamers becoming pirates. About two years ago, I got into a Facebook Group called Serial Gamers where I met a large community of Indian gamers most of whom were buying games instead of pirating them, something I never thought I’d live to see. Because of said community I even noticed that there were quite a few pirates who actually went ahead and started buying games because they wanted to play online with their fellow gamers, show off achievement points and not seem like scum for pirating a game to their gaming buddies."

…oh well i guess we have to do something about this! :slight_smile:

“…nor do we have famous personalities such as TotalBiscuit or Jimquisition in the industry who can tell their fellow Indian gamers in this country not to pirate video games and also what the side effects of piracy entail. Having role models is always important and they can honestly be anyone in the industry today…”
LoL thats a reason.
Perhaps they do not even have parents…

I dont think you should discount what’s being said there Luftbaunch. Pirating things is (at least in part) cultural. It isn’t recognized by most people as stealing on an emotional level. Sure we know it is, but we don’t have nearly the same rush or guilt as walking into a store and grabbing something off the shelf. So when your parents have been pirating music and games for 20 years it’s unlikely they’re going to do much scolding on the topic. Which means cultural change will have to come from people in positions of authority that do care: And maybe that is good youtube casters, or maybe it is someone else.

I’m not saying I agree 100% with it, but its at least a reasonable theory :slight_smile:

Have you ever backed up a project, that died halfway up?
Is it not frustrating for the customer, when he gets ripped?
Where is the protection for the ppl, those are supporting cool ideas there?
No protection on both sides, fair hum not.
Sometimes you could laugh hard, which projects try to launch greenlight, or KS.
There are even pure tutorials, sold as game.

So many bad games around, but they understand the marketing process and tell you that its the game of your dream, but in the end it is a bad clone from mixed games, with better gfx (for which you need new hardware).
When ppl in India have in general not so much money like ppl in US, i think they would pay only once for a bad game and pirate.
I bought many games for my kids, but there are so many bad/dumb games around, that you have to look exactly what you buy, before you do it.
Oh and sometimes it helps nothing when you tell your Kid, that this is a bad game, not worth anything…
For the general happyness you have to buy it and i feeled raped, through advertising(more once).

When you can buy pirated software around each corner, and you can get 20 games for the price of one, or share them while the pause in the school, why you should pay some bucks?
Ah and you have not to travel to india, to do that.
When you cross the Border, from germany to Czechia, you can buy, whatever you want, drugs / weapons and even games…

Some time ago was the NDS here very popular and while i had 10 kids over a birthdayparty night, they brought in their NDS.
It was very funny to see all these “zero” cards(to play copies/pirated) plugged into and they could not connect to the players with original games.
There where much more kids with cards, originals.
Quick you get into a bad explaing mood, when you hear"It is silly to use original games, you could not connect with your buddies"…
Thats the same and it is everywhere, not only in india.

Yes ryan, perhaps we define “good” only in another way.
Take the glory Jim, for example.
Look at his patreon site. Two weeks ago it showed, that he gets 12.000 Bucks from Patreon, but only supporting three other Patreons.
That is aside advertising income (youtoube) and other stuff.
Thats not “good” enough to me, to let this i think a bit “greedy”,person teach my kids some lessions, about honor or similar stuff.
When i look closely at his style, the choice of colors and behavior, i would say a clear no.
That is not all bad stuff i could tell about him, but i am always friendly and helpful, and with my limited rusty english it is hard to describe what i mean.

I’ve lived next to indians who came from India… And you are right. They don’t seem to care. They were never taught it is wrong to pirate. (I am not saying they all do it… But it is a real bad problem.)
And this problem will never go away. It’s ingrained into their minds to pirate software. It would take about 400 years of soviet memory wiping to get rid of it. It is cultural.

I blame the economy and caste system in India for this bad cultural shift. I hope they get money and wake up.

In Russia piracy is still considered normal thing. I used to be a pirate when I was a school and university student. But now I do have a job and I buy games and other software :slight_smile:

My friend in Russia says its to expensive to buy anything… So he used the pirate things… Now I just gift him the games. :slight_smile:

I’m a gamer and have no idea who TotalBiscuit or Jimquisition are. Youtube ads?

Well I believe the average salary in our country is about $400/mo which is not much. Mine is ~$800, I’m a java junior :slight_smile:

You should watch Jim Sterling’s channel, it’s actually pretty good

Sad but that’s reality. Simply because there is no way to catch them or laws that are never enforced, I haven’t heard of any pirated software user ever been prosecuted and put behind bars anywhere in the world though.

Also keep in mind that pirated games and software crackers all come from outside india , never heard of an indian software cracker or hacker ring so far that breaks the copy protection and puts stuff on torrents. Just saying :slight_smile:

LOL. Every image/texture etc you put on anything hacked there is a code. So buy your stuff legit or you will not get seen,lol. Locked up. DCMA.

Lol, I lived in Malaysia a few years ago, and there was this electronics mall where pretty much everything was pirated. People had their game booths set up and booths to mod your consoles :stuck_out_tongue: Any and all PC games for $2 each, that was the life.

Anyone here about how they are going to stop piracey? I am tring to find that article. They are tring to use photons which are non reconstructable. This Collider is apperantly more than meets the eye. I read or seen an article where they will be using photons to have recorded info on it. I heard about this 10 yrs ago. Look up is u can to find info. Maybe **** but would be the only sollution.

There is no way to stop piracy except exerting control over users/players all the time which isn’t practical. As long as the software exists it would be copied.

I live in Russia. It’s not expensive to buy things(Well, now eur/usd to rub is twice as expensive and buying gadgets, stuff from amazon and etc is twice as expensive, but that happened only a year ago) at all, especially games for PC. In steam we have crazy low prices(Considering current usd->rub rate its funny to convert actually). For example Witcher 3 is $20, Fallout 4 is $33, but it is the highest price you could get in steam(Excluding some special cases). Usually we have AAA games either in $12 - $18 prace range and for indie price tag is something like $5(Excluding tons of .5$-2$ games). But it’s not fair comparison because a year ago these prices in $ were 2 times “higher” due to adequate usd->rub rate so I will give you comparison using average cup of coffee price! Indie game is around 1,3 cups of good coffee or 2 cups of mediocre and it was like this for a years now, no matter what usd->rub rate is.

As I said, it’s not expensive to buy things(If you don’t need to rent :stuck_out_tongue: If you need to rent monthly payment for 1room flat is around average salary and you’re screwed :D) , however in Russian mentality it’s much cooler to get cool stuff without actually paying for it(I’m not talking about stealing and all that stuff). Trick the system, so to speak, is considered good, no matter who is the system. People don’t understand that you’re paying to support something you like, people just think that they lose money they could spend on something else and that’s not cool!

And this is why I, as a Canadian, will be forever jealous of Russian prices. Yeah we pay in CAD but we pay 25-30% more than Americans. What boggles my mind is we’re in a similar situation with a devalued currency, yet for some reason not only did I have to pay $70 for my Fallout 4 preorder, but a friend had to pay $80 for a physical box.

The indian gaming community is still very young and fragmented. In due time more people will unite together and awareness will spread. It’s a matter of how long it will take.

There is. Make F2P games. You can’t pirate something that is free. Or make multiplayer focused games. There isn’t much point in pirating multiplayer focused games since you won’t get the good player-base. More and more AAA games are being multiplayer focused now on PC. Heck even Tomb Raider 2013 had a totally unnecessary multiplayer component to reduce piracy.

Yup, I can agree with that article. Here in Malaysia all those points apply.

There are cultural issues (lack of awareness, minimal rule of law compared to the West, IMO excessive bargain-seeking behaviour, no qualms about turning on the Torrents and hammering that 100%).

There are economic issues. If you look at currency devaluation, out-of-control inflation and severe corruption running through most “emerging market” governments (Malaysia is now looking at a massive scandal of Billions of USD disappearing and still no information on where it went, it could cause the ruling party to be upturned)… not to mention skyrocketing car, house and food prices relative to very low wages… no surprises that piracy is the go-to “solution”.

There are **solutions **however. For Asia, Fifa Online and many other Free-To-Play is exploding right now, check out platforms such as Garena. Free-To-Play revenue in Asia I believe dwarfs Pay-Once + DLC gaming. With the uptick in E-Sports in Asia (in terms of even more mass awareness) the E-Sports world is primarily Free-To-Play so that will only drive more Free-To-Play revenue growth.

Finally Steam prices for Malaysia are significantly lower than the US or Australian prices. For a game with a significant Steam discount, I’m sure if there was more awareness many would easily opt for the Steam price. HOWEVER, credit card fraud is extremely rampant in Asia, so purchasing online through Steam is still an issue. One has to get a prepaid card or prepaid Steam wallet from certain outlets for safe and easy purchasing (but that puts a premium/fee on the cost of games).

At the end of the day, FOR PC/Mac/Linux GAMES if you are targeting Western countries AAA or Indies I reckon should go for Pay-Once solutions and non-exploitive DLC (y’all know who I’m talking about). If you are targeting Asian countries you must go to Free-To-Play games with English, Mandarin and Korean translations out of the box. Again, check out the Garena platform. It’s hard to figure out exactly what they do but if you look at their financial figures you’ll want to investigate the Asian game market even more.

OK that’s my armchair analyst thoughts :slight_smile: