Bad blured textures are back! ))

Hello.
I try work with new camera - its Nokia Lumia 9010 (41 mp camera)
Scan quality are good enough… but… some times I have same troubles as on Sony Alfa R2 - Blured textures.

texture1_u1_v1.jpg @ 100% (RGB_8) 2016-10-10 18.21.59.jpg

Nature of this dug - its CR blend All photos to one texture… and if this photos not perfectly aligned they do bluring/ghosting. :cry:

I found a way to improve quality of textures - bake and blend by hand some of more important photos in photoshop. Its a slow and annoying way, but I don`t see other. ((
But even in this case I have a troubles… another CR bug! empty spaces on texture not perfectly clean… they all doted!

texture2_u1_v1.png @ 66.7% (Color Fill 1, RGB_8) _ 2016-10-10 18.27.04.jpg

So I waste a lot of time to cleanup this before blend…

Please!!! Do something with texture baking!
Maybe some new algoritm with more selective blending?
Maybe you can fix this dotes (its not a perfect way but its helps me a lot)
maybe you can do multiply export of all selected photos baked on mesh? I will mix them by myself in a better way.
And may be you can do Texture Export without Mesh export?
And few moths ago we spoke about DOF masking… its shell be a good way to do best scans and textures.

Dear Yegor,
thank you for the post. We will try to fix it.

It would be helpful if you can send me your images including project.

However, there is easy workflow how to avoid it.
You can simply disable blurred and wrongly aligned cameras in texturing :

enableDisableCamerForTexturing.jpg

You can also use inspect tool ( ALIGNMENT \ Analyze \ Inspect ) to find the “wrongly aligned” images and use ALIGNMENT \ Selection \ Camera Lasso to select them and then disable them for texturing.

Problem is - no blured or wrong aligned images.
Seems wrong distortion compensation (Its a BIG problem for me, cause I bought Sony A7R2 for this, and its was expensive ))) )
and all images a bit shifted or… distorted?
here is example.
First image - its a standard texture generation (blend all images):

s_Lenin_u1_v1.png - ACDSee Quick View 2016-10-16 22.37.09.jpg

You can notice blur and stamps of same texture samples around.

And next image, baked alone:

texture2_u1_v1.png - ACDSee Quick View 2016-10-16 22.37.44.jpg

Here you can see sharp and nice texture. And its happen for each selected image.
And this bug happens not on the all my test… on Nikon or Canon cameras - all looks fine. Even in worst photo conditions (hand shakes, out of focus) - it much better then Sony Alfa or Nokia Lumia with I work now.

Hi Yegor
Are you using RAWs or “developed” raws like JPG/TIF ?

Hi.
I used “developed” raws as TIF but without lens/distortion correction. only white balance, little up the shadows and little push down the highlights.

New update.
New, very interesting feature - image similar sorting. Thank you. its really helpful.
But still the same problems with blured texures. :frowning:

Wishgranter, can i send you a project to checkit?

Hi Yegor
Yup, send it to me for inspection :smiley:

Sent you email. :wink:

What is the conclusion? :slight_smile:

Hi Götz
Wrong alignment, as there were just 40 images for a statue in 3 elevations… I have sent Yegor the improved results ( just aligned with few adjustments ) so that he can say a bit more about it :smiley:

Cheers! :slight_smile:

I don`t know what to say. For me its some kind of magic. )))
I dived deep in setting to get better alignment. Makes some test. But in result its not reflect on textures.
And its very strange for me, what 3d models looks good enough even with small count of images, but textures - not.
and anyway… I compare it with images taken from other cameras and…
Canon 40D - Best result, clead scan, clead textures. (Default setting, usual photo scenario, nothing special)
Nikon (some cheep camera) - same, clean and sharp models and textures.
Sony AR2 - problems problems problems…
Nokia Lumia (smartphone) - same result as Sony Alfa.

Today I found interesting video with Sony A7R2… about sensor stabilizer… and i think it is it - root of problems.
https://youtu.be/lV9gXOV8y_s?t=404
Sensor its float like jelly, and makes shifts in each frames maked from hands… and gravity… :evil:
I don`t know, is it possible to compensate it?
I tried all distortion models in RC… its not helping much.

Hmmm.
Is this your first project?
Because I had quite a few difficulties with my first tries and had to retake all the images.
After that, I got much better results.
And in hindsight, it was much quicker than trying to fix the model with the old fotos, even it was a 900 km drive one way and an intense week of work with the result of 6000 images… :slight_smile:
I never had problems with texture but did not check it thoroughly with RC.

I never considered the stabilizer to be a problem, but now that you mention it…
How much light did you have?
I took them either in bright daylight or with flash though.
Because I have a stabilizer activated, too, but never had any problems.
On the contrary, even with the bad set of images I got an astonishingly precise result: 1mm error from later added reference points (theodolite measurement) over an area of 20 x 20 meters. That isn’t bad at all I think.

Hi Götz
the problem in this case was a low image count - 3 elevations with 40 cameras but I had played a bit with the alignment and it was solved with good texture results…

Hey Wishgranter,

i know, you told me already. :wink:
Just wanted to give some feedback from another beginner…

Do you have any input on the stabilizer issue?

All this would be reasonable if I was a begginer.
But Im 5 years work with photohraphomety. (most time in PhotoScan)
That why I fill myself stupid. ))))
I never have problems like this before, than I works with my old Canon`s cameras. (In RC and in Photoscan)
I never had some extra paranoia about stability, focus or image quantity.
And I have same problems with 40 and with 120 photos.

Ooops. Sorry! :slight_smile:
That is good to hear, about the stabilizer I mean.
Not about your issues of course!

I guess it is one of those special cases where a specific software shows more weakness than another.
Did you try another project that worked for you in RC?
Or did you try the troublesome one in Photoscan?

Photoscan have lot of weak spots. Most problematic - speed, memory dependents and mask dependents (you need to create mask if you want to get clean mesh).

Yes, I tried many projects (more then 30) in RC. And its works well with some cameras and problematic with others.

I bought very expensive camera (Sony Alfa A7R2) for this work and… its disappointed me. :frowning:
I still can`t believe what so HiEnd camera makes so many problems in photgraphometry.

I agree with you on Photoscan.
RC does a much better job with shadows and also edges in front of sky.

Sorry to hear about your experience with the A7.
Is that something that more people experienced or is it your personal opinion?
I use a rather old Lumix FZ-28 and it works just fine.
Is it possible that there are any automatic corrections that you didn’t deactivate?
Or are you using RAW?

I can only recommend using the inspection tool (if you aren’t using it already).
It opened my eyes and the big project would have failed again if I hadn’t brought my PC along to check every couple of hours and then refine, sometimes 3-4 times in one spot. RC is brilliant for that purpose because it alligns 400 images in about 10 minutes.

Btw, Wishgranter, could you maybe share some of the tweaks you made? Just a general gist would be nice…