Nobody said products are so bad, we said prices are bad. There is no hobbyist packages from Autodesk regarding prices, and indie prices are already high. Maya LT in Europe is 1000 euro, and Maya 4000 euro. That’s one of the reason all indies use Blender. You see, for Autodesk, it does not matter if you want to learn or your income is under 10k per year or 100k, they want same big flat price from everybody upfront.