IKinema RunTime available to small and indie studios for £99

[anonymous_user_5695e6d6]

@uexilon;682482

Hey

expanding on the Question of Jihed…

Our small team just tried to implement iKinema for VR. After some time playing around with settings and your demo scenes, it was quite easy to implement.

However… We ran into an issue with working together on the same project using source control. Since I implemented the iKinema Indie Runtime plugin (using UE 4.14.3 Binary Version) no one else is able to open the project anymore as UE4 will simply crash on startup. I downloaded the Trial on a second Computer that crashed before and after installing the plugin on that machine, the project just worked fine (nothing else changed). So I understand that you would node lock the plugin… But the only one using and building the project is me.

I would understand if it would just pop up a message saying the plugin won’t work on this machine and everything related to editing iKinema will no longer work… but completly making the project crash (whether intended or not) on startup is annoying and risky (what would happen if Trial stops and it was still implemented? Project simply lost?).

We are students and it makes quite a difference whether we have to pay 100£ so that I as programmer can work with iKinema and build the project or we have to buy 3-4 License for people that never even touch anything related to iKinema (400£ +).

So… do we now need a License for our Level Designer, Sound designer, etc. just so they can open up the project and work on their parts? Or is there any easy way to work around that issue? (maybe having a non activated iKinema plugin installed on all other machines so it just won’t work but still be able to start up without crashing?)

Regards

When you start up the project on an unlicensed machine it should just give you the option to disable the plugin in that instance without any crashes. Do you have any info about the crash you are getting? Anything in the logs etc. I will test on this end. (Also, make sure you are using the latest version of the plugin for your version of unreal from our site. There were some bug fixes that could have been the issue).

As an immediate work around, make sure there is a copy of the plugin in the project for everyone who uses the project. They will be prompted to enter a key when they load unreal, just accept the trial license that it defaults to. If the license has expired, the project will still load but with all RunTime features disabled.

[uexilon]

Hey

Thanks for your reply.

I would love to provide more info to the crash, but we actually already installed the plugins (trial version) on all machines as I noticed myself that the project no longer crashed after installing it. I’ll search the logs to see whether I can find anything related to that crash.

One thing I can say for sure is that we already were using the latest version of the plugin in UE 4.14.3. I didn’t test it, but I would have guessed just deleting the plugin should actually have been enough to get the project open again. Just in case someone runs into the same problem.

It’s nice seeing that this workaround is fine. We couldn’t have afforded to pay 500£ for a student project… So thank you very much.

Regards

[anonymous_user_5695e6d6]

@Makis;673991

Hello ,

Could you please clarify the licensing terms for UE4 indie, especially this part:"During the term of this Agreement, you expressly acknowledge and agree that if the above thresholds are exceeded, then you may no longer use Licensed Technology, and you must either purchase IKinema RunTime and continue using the Product or destroy all copies of Licensed Technology in your possession or control and cease distribution of any Product created with the Licensed Technology. IKinema will monitor your compliance with and enforce these restrictions and requirements including but not limited to monitoring the number of downloads of your Product and any available revenue estimate data. "

I mean what happens if we pass that threshold, we need to remove the game from any online store?

And the full license price, are we talking about a five figure number, tens of thousands, at least can you give us a rough estimation.

We can’t really get a decision to use it if we end up paying all the money earned from reaching the threshold, for the license.

The product seems great but the licensing is a bit confusing.

Hey sorry for taking so long, just had confirmation.

Basically if you go over the Indie threshold during development (for example you receive funding that pushes you over the $80K US threshold) you will have to upgrade your license from the initial Indie license if you wish to carry on using RunTime.

If you release the game with an Indie license and you were under the Indie threshold during development, but go over the threshold post launch in revenue, you do not have to pay for anything unless you are continually developing (DLC/Updates/other projects etc.) using RunTime.

Hope that clears it up, if not just shout.

[Makis]

@-IKinema;688113

Hey sorry for taking so long, just had confirmation.

Basically if you go over the Indie threshold during development (for example you receive funding that pushes you over the $80K US threshold) you will have to upgrade your license from the initial Indie license if you wish to carry on using RunTime.

If you release the game with an Indie license and you were under the Indie threshold during development, but go over the threshold post launch in revenue, you do not have to pay for anything unless you are continually developing (DLC/Updates/other projects etc.) using RunTime.

Hope that clears it up, if not just shout.

Thank you so much , that clears it up.

You should really add this clarification at the license.

For the next projects it makes sense.

For DLC and Updates there might be a problem with viability of the project, if we end up paying the full license.

Any rough estimation about the cost of full license?

Anyway, thank you so much for looking at it.

[anonymous_user_3dfd5ee1]

Hi ,

I’m curious to know more about Ikinema’s support for multiplayer/networked play. The scenario would be a VR game where players would use full IK body avatars. Are there any limitations or possible impediments to take into account regarding network support? Could you share some information about this?

[anonymous_user_5695e6d6]

@Mimicry Games;696625

Hi ,

I’m curious to know more about Ikinema’s support for multiplayer/networked play. The scenario would be a VR game where players would use full IK body avatars. Are there any limitations or possible impediments to take into account regarding network support? Could you share some information about this?

Hey, there are no issues with solving in a networked/multiplayer setting that we are aware of. A number of our clients have implemented it successfully.

[kurylo3d]

I have 2 questions.

1.) If your an indy but do manage to make more then 80k… what happens then? Is their a certain royalty amount to be paid and what would any amount be?

2.) IKinema RunTime and IKinema for VR. Are those 2 seperate products? Are they charged seperately?

[anonymous_user_5695e6d6]

@kurylo3d;718106

I have 2 questions.

1.) If your an indy but do manage to make more then 80k… what happens then? Is their a certain royalty amount to be paid and what would any amount be?

2.) IKinema RunTime and IKinema for VR. Are those 2 seperate products? Are they charged seperately?

Heyo,

1. If you exceed that indie limit in revenue then you will need a Team or Studio license for your next game if you wish to use RunTime.
2. So RunTime includes support for IK solving from traditional Vr game appliances namely a HMD and 2 motion controllers (3 points - head and hands). Our newest product orion supports full body solving from 6 rigid bodies and is a separate entity from RunTime.

[DsyD]

I realize it’s not officially supported, but has anyone gotten the Indie Runtime to work with custom 4.18 builds?

[g0n (gon)]

Where can I look for coupons discounts?

[scha (scha (inu games))]

How much does the full version cost? Is there a price list somewhere? I didn’t found any.

[TX_LOSER]

@anonymous_user_5695e6d6

Hey sorry for taking so long, just had confirmation.

Basically if you go over the Indie threshold during development (for example you receive funding that pushes you over the $80K US threshold) you will have to upgrade your license from the initial Indie license if you wish to carry on using RunTime.

If you release the game with an Indie license and you were under the Indie threshold during development, but go over the threshold post launch in revenue, you do not have to pay for anything unless you are continually developing (DLC/Updates/other projects etc.) using RunTime.

Hope that clears it up, if not just shout.

If the independent developers use source engine, is him have to purchase TEAM license?

[anonymous_user_5695e6d6]

@TX_LOSER

If the independent developers use source engine, is him have to purchase TEAM license?

Support for source builds isn’t included under the RunTime Indie licensing. Team and studio licenses do support source builds and also come with access to our source code integration repo and an NDA to guard it. You can e-mail [EMAIL=“”] for licensing queries.

[Aliensa]

**-IKinema **i can say that you have made a big crime ! Many people paid you a lot money for this plugin. For example i m single developer and i give you some of my last money to support you and to enjoy of your plugin .
In the agreed licensing terms there is no option that say the product will be no longer available after a year or two . Now my license have to be reset and i try to contact you on the support email so many times and after a 3 weeks i got message that say :

Hello
Please be advised that your licence has expired and IKINEMA is no longer be offering our RunTime middleware for sale.

Many Thanks
IKINEMA Support Team

What mean expired ? In the license terms there is nothing like this …
Why ??? Where in the license terms is written that the product will stop work after a year or two ?? So many people have supported you with buying the plugin and now you treat them like a garbage …
Can you image how hard is to remove your plugin from the project that is almost 90% complete ? How many things we have to change .how time we will lost … This is not fair , is not fair …

Thanks
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