[Community Project] WIP Weather & Water Shader

[DavidNSilva]

Well going extremes is usually the easiest way to find bugs Thank you very much, Santa Claus will be pleased to know. I hope you’re feeling better, wish you all the best.

[Rama]

@;558674

FFT-based Simulation WIP!

So after a lot of headaches and red bulls (sponsor me please? lol) I finally have a working FFT implementation.

Test #1.
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(Don’t pay too much attention on the material look, is meant to showcase the displacement)

is simulating a 128x128 grid on the CPU at about 4ms on a separate thread.
The plan is to implement a GPU-CPU combo for maximum performance and quality.
The CPU will simulate a smaller FFT (up to 128) which will be used for height readback queries only (for buoyancy etc.) and the GPU will be able to simulate a larger grid (up to 2048) with normals, energy-based foam etc. which will be used for rendering.

The simulation above is using the classic Phillips spectrum from the tessendorf papers which produce nice sharp “choppy” waves and is meant to represent a fully developed open state, but there are other spectrum models out there (which I have partially implemented) that are more “physically correct” and can produce different style of waves.

There is still a lot of work to be done so don’t expect any of to be released anytime soon, I’m doing in my free time as you know

Oh my!

Do let me know when does get released, but of course please proceed at the pace that is fun for you!

That CPU read for height info is especially important for my intended use cases

I’ll be waiting to hear more about !!!

Rama

@;559516

Thanks let us know if you have any issues and/or suggestions! :o

Good to hear from you as always, have fun with it!

Rock on !

Rama

[Yoyomike]

@;550195

Hi there,

We have done a lot of work trying to get that plugin to play nicely with the project, and it is (partly) possible to do. The problem isn’t so much performance, but rather hard driver crashes when using it. A small grid is not too expensive to render, but using both the waves and the fluid surface on a large scale is. Here’s a video I made to show @ it was working with project a while back:

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As you can see the grid is pretty small, anything larger than that and my video drivers would crash both UE4, and Windows too in some cases.

There is something in the code that doesn’t work properly on DX11 (my best guess since it was ported from an older version), triggering a crash after a few minutes of use (with Nvidia drivers at least, I have a 980). I would really appreciate any help, if anyone can find out how to get it working properly I would gladly implement it fully into the project. It is very complex though, requiring C++ and HLSL shader code, which is why it has been backlogged for now. Both the FluidSurface actor and FFT are advanced techniques we are in the process of exploring further.

Thanks

EDIT: The error message you are getting just means the plugin code needs to be recompiled for your version of the editor. I wouldn’t recommend using the code provided from that thread anyways, there have been major changes to the rendering engine since that project was abandoned. I have a working copy (as of 4.9) in my git repo list, but that too may require further changes to get it working correctly with ver 4.11 or 4.12.

REALLY glad you’re working on the fluid surface actor, absolutely stoked to see integrated, and I’m sure a lot of other people are, is really the only thing standing between us and Crynengine, and EPIC knows it.

IF there’s a way you can find to stop the hard driver from crashing ( I tried integrating it myself and ran into that, is there a way to to turn off wave displacement, and just have the blueprint there for changing material params?

[anonymous_user_2793493e1 (anonymous_user_2793493e)]

@;558674

FFT-based Simulation WIP!

So after a lot of headaches and red bulls (sponsor me please? lol) I finally have a working FFT implementation.

Test #1.
_4UDU6K9NnE
(Don’t pay too much attention on the material look, is meant to showcase the displacement)

is simulating a 128x128 grid on the CPU at about 4ms on a separate thread.
The plan is to implement a GPU-CPU combo for maximum performance and quality.
The CPU will simulate a smaller FFT (up to 128) which will be used for height readback queries only (for buoyancy etc.) and the GPU will be able to simulate a larger grid (up to 2048) with normals, energy-based foam etc. which will be used for rendering.

The simulation above is using the classic Phillips spectrum from the tessendorf papers which produce nice sharp “choppy” waves and is meant to represent a fully developed open state, but there are other spectrum models out there (which I have partially implemented) that are more “physically correct” and can produce different style of waves.

There is still a lot of work to be done so don’t expect any of to be released anytime soon, I’m doing in my free time as you know

Amazing.
The only problem that I find in my tries with FFT is: “The water looks like it is not going anywhere”.

FFT:

So I´ve changed to 2 combos of 8 gerstner waves + heightmap panners, to create kind of “crisp messy”.

[Yoyomike]

Working on a fluid surface integration, but so far, i’ve been unsuccessful in getting the fluid surface component to work in the blueprint, without it crashing my GPU (every time happens i need to restart windows.)

But, I’ve applied the material to it, using the ‘ultra’ shader, and i got good results, I’ll post results here when I can

[TK-Master]

@Yoyomike;561135

Working on a fluid surface integration, but so far, i’ve been unsuccessful in getting the fluid surface component to work in the blueprint, without it crashing my GPU (every time happens i need to restart windows.)

But, I’ve applied the material to it, using the ‘ultra’ shader, and i got good results, I’ll post results here when I can

I would not recommend using the fluid surface plugin… unfortunately there are a lot of bugs with it and it’s unstable.
It’s development was stopped a long time ago, it may have been updated for later engine versions but it was never “ready” in the first place.
Someone would need to put in a lot of effort to improve it (I have tried, and failed :p), but in my opinion it’s not worth the time at point.

I have recently discovered that there are some ridiculously simple algorithms out there for making interactive water surfaces that work surprising well (and fast!).
The cool part is that it can work even with a few lines of code! it’s almost like magic.

For example, MullerGDC2008 can be as simple as :

The problem with these kind of fluid simulations however is that they are a little too frame-rate dependent so it’s nearly impossible (or not easy) to sync them in networked applications.
For example, FFT and gerstner waves can be simulated for any arbitrary time value that will give the exact same result each time, which means you can simulate 86355131 frames ahead if you need to but kind of fluid simulations are very different… a simulation at 30fps will be 2 times slower than a simulation at 60fps for example.

But for single player it can work well including buoyancy. Or as a rendering-only in multiplayer (no buoyancy, not accurately synced).
I’m implementing something like that will compliment the FFT simulation, I should have something demo-able soon.

[Rama]

@;561274

I would not recommend using the fluid surface plugin… unfortunately there are a lot of bugs with it and it’s unstable.
It’s development was stopped a long time ago, it may have been updated for later engine versions but it was never “ready” in the first place.
Someone would need to put in a lot of effort to improve it (I have tried, and failed :p), but in my opinion it’s not worth the time at point.

I agree the current implementation is not going anywhere, but I am proposing that we all as a community Start Over from the UE2 code provided by Golding.

Essentially that plugin got taken up by 1 person and went down 1 route, I feel like we should start over truly from scratch rather than trying to patch up what is currently around.

Fluid Surface Plugin ~ Starting Over
https://.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?3609-Project-FluidSurface-Plugin&p=561546&viewfull=1#post561546

Please note I have great respect for thread and what is happening here, and I am hoping that a recapitulation of that plugin could be helped out by all you folks here in thread, as a compatible game element to what you are doing.

If any of the core folks in thread dont like me mentioning here let me know and I will remove it, but I am hoping we can resuscitate the poor Fluid Surface Plugin

or

Completely re-implement what it does in our own way, @ ?

Rama

PS: Summary: omg I miss fluid surface ripples affected by moving characters from UE3/UE2

[Yoyomike]

I for one don’t give a rat’s (youknowwhat) about FFT, granted, it’s great, looks nice, and all the more realistic, we’re getting no closer to water that interacts with the world around it.

I for one wouldn’t mind a water surface which interacted with the actors movements, the rocks it crashes up against, and the particles that hit it (rain and snow, hail and etc).

Rather than a beautiful water shader that has no immersive effect what so ever, apart from being nice to look at.

I wish we’d all have the same beautiful vision for the Engine, fluid surfaces that make the player feel attached to the world they’re playing in, as opposed to static scenes that feel like a painting more than anything else. But to each their own, is entitled to their own dreams, it is really sad to me that fluid surface is just a dream that most of us don’t share, to my knowledge.

With all that said, If I knew anything about coding, I’d jump right in and start fluid surface from the beginning, but I don’t, and I’d probably make it worse. Truth is, it’s PERFECTLY fine aside from the fact you can’t integrate it into blueprints, and you can’t put it inside a landscape / or another static mesh.

But in any way I can help at all, consider me all for notion.

[Nsomnia]

I find contrary to regular game development water needs performance before mechanics. How many fps do you get with 120 gertner sums. Guess it depends of you need weather or gently lapping. Good to see Rama slowly unreal’ing himself to death in one more thing

Triton has rotor/propr wash, wakes, object-water interaction, etc. and is used in some military sims… pretty sure they started right with FFTs due to the massive speed of waveform calculations. That said a waveform is a waveform no matter how its generated… to a degree.

Edit: on their website they quote “Over 65,000 individual waves at over 500 frames per second” thats alot of [performance] room you have to throw extra features on top. Although they use the gpu for a lot more computational speed its possible to do if throws in what they got working when they do.
, dont forget bitbuckets free private git repos, rama is a much more appealing contributor than myself

[TK-Master]

@Rama;561552

I agree the current implementation is not going anywhere, but I am proposing that we all as a community Start Over from the UE2 code provided by Golding.

Essentially that plugin got taken up by 1 person and went down 1 route, I feel like we should start over truly from scratch rather than trying to patch up what is currently around.

I’m already making good progress

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It currently runs on the CPU, the performance is not that great with grids > 256x256 as you can expect but it’s totally acceptable at lower resolution grids (it’s also possible to multi-thread it, so it should be even better).
The video showcases 2 different propagation algorithms that I found. The waves can reflect from walls or custom obstacles btw!

[Rama]

@;561972

I’m already making good progress

The waves can reflect from walls or custom obstacles btw!

Omg!

Wohooo! Thank youuuuu @!

So ahm

hee hee

I um, well, any sense of when I can play with ?

Will it be something that is part of the entire project or a separate plugin?

If you ever wanted to consider it as a paid plugin I know many would buy it

You could also present to Epic as a PR, a replacement for the fluid surface plugin initiative, something Golding really wanted in the Engine

If you’d like any coding involvement on my part just let me know!

Rama

[Yoyomike]

@;561972

I’m already making good progress

u79E1DKlEeQ

It currently runs on the CPU, the performance is not that great with grids > 256x256 as you can expect but it’s totally acceptable at lower resolution grids (it’s also possible to multi-thread it, so it should be even better).
The video showcases 2 different propagation algorithms that I found. The waves can reflect from walls or custom obstacles btw!

Is that the fluid surface actor you seemed so bleak about yesterday :O?

[anonymous_user_20316e41]

What are the chances of getting to work in an HTML5 project? I tried to cook it but it choked on the plugin.

[anonymous_user_3f4ca383]

Hello I try to make landscape modulation work I selected landscape and heightmap I exported from landscape in details, but it makes no difference as you can see:

Here is the heightmap, shore is actually quite flat, but i think it should still work.

[speedpacer]

I’m having trouble getting the same underwater that’s in dcSkyTestMap and UnderwaterFish in 4.12.5. I created a new project, copied the Plugins folder into project folder and , ShipsAndExamples, and Sky folders into the Content folder, created a new empty level, dragged the BP_Ocean, BP_Underwater, and BP_Sky blueprints into the scene then deleted them. Then I copied BP_Ocean, BP_Sky, BP_Underwater, PP_Global and WaterSwimVolume from dcSkyTestMap and into my level but they didn’t all copy until I migrated the map into my project. Then they copied but there are no underwater .

I also tried as directed in the instructions using the OceanExampleMap_01 but I think they’re a little outdated. I couldn’t find everything in the example map that I was supposed to copy, and it looks like the lights and heightfog are no longer needed in the new sky bp. I’ve tried other combinations as well to no avail. The only way I could get it to work was to rename the files and contents in source of to my project name, generate VS files and compile it that way. gave me all of the I was looking for but every time I tried to add a new class, the editor crashed.

Also, when I plug in latitude and longitude for Kennedy Space Center (28.58N, 80.65W), the sun and moon both show up at 10. And if I check the Allow Daylight Savings box and hit play, the sun immediately goes down.

And finally, I tried switching to a first person pawn and when I hit play, the sky gets darker. Changing the sun’s brightness had no effect. But what’s really weird is if I walk (speed of 600), it stays that way, but if I run (shift+w and speed at 1000), it brightens up until I stop and then gets dark again.

Not sure what I’m missing or doing wrong… any ideas?

[anonymous_user_0df12f74]

@speedpacer;563428

I’m having trouble getting the same underwater that’s in dcSkyTestMap and UnderwaterFish in 4.12.5. I created a new project, copied the Plugins folder into project folder and , ShipsAndExamples, and Sky folders into the Content folder, created a new empty level, dragged the BP_Ocean, BP_Underwater, and BP_Sky blueprints into the scene then deleted them. Then I copied BP_Ocean, BP_Sky, BP_Underwater, PP_Global and WaterSwimVolume from dcSkyTestMap and into my level but they didn’t all copy until I migrated the map into my project. Then they copied but there are no underwater .

I also tried as directed in the instructions using the OceanExampleMap_01 but I think they’re a little outdated. I couldn’t find everything in the example map that I was supposed to copy, and it looks like the lights and heightfog are no longer needed in the new sky bp. I’ve tried other combinations as well to no avail. The only way I could get it to work was to rename the files and contents in source of to my project name, generate VS files and compile it that way. gave me all of the I was looking for but every time I tried to add a new class, the editor crashed.

Also, when I plug in latitude and longitude for Kennedy Space Center (28.58N, 80.65W), the sun and moon both show up at 10. And if I check the Allow Daylight Savings box and hit play, the sun immediately goes down.

And finally, I tried switching to a first person pawn and when I hit play, the sky gets darker. Changing the sun’s brightness had no effect. But what’s really weird is if I walk (speed of 600), it stays that way, but if I run (shift+w and speed at 1000), it brightens up until I stop and then gets dark again.

Not sure what I’m missing or doing wrong… any ideas?

The issues with underwater will be caused by not having a Post Process actor in the scene with the Blendables PP material in the Misc section (and make sure the PP volume is “UnBound”), check the implementation of the PP_Global actor in the demo level. Also make sure you migrate everything in the Sky & folder, along with the ShipsAndExamples\CustomThirdPerson\Blueprints folder at a minimum if you want both the and skydome.

The brightening will also be caused by the PostProcess volume, expand the Settings, then the Auto Exposure section, and set both the Min & Brightness values to 1. disables the brightening effect when looking at bright then darker areas and vice versa.

For the moon, believe it or not, the moon is quite often visible in the daytime (how else could you get a solar eclipse mid day?). We don’t notice it as much because it blends into the atmosphere, it doesn’t stand out like it does at night, but it is there. You can check the values against website, MoonCalc.org, or any others such as the US Navy’s site. Just enter in your long/lat date/time, then compare the Azimuth (yaw) and AltitudeAngle (pitch) values. Please note that the end Rotator pitch/yaw/roll will not be the same as Azimuth & AltitudeAngle, they need to be rotated into UE4 coordinates causing a discrepancy. Be sure to adjust the time/date in the Default section, the moon and sun positions vary from one day to the next, most days the moon stays below the horizon during the day, but not all.

One last thing to keep in mind, the Offset UTC variable needs to be accurate for your longitude location. As an example I live in Vancouver Canada, which is roughly -130 longitude, and a UTC hour offset of -8. The east coast is -5 hours UTC, make sure you have that set properly. I am not sure what might be causing the with Daylight Savings time but I will look into it further.

I will update the documentation asap with the migrating instructions, and get back to you on the other info asap.

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@Mordraug:
Please take a look at answer from TK a little while back, the texture needs to be a certain size to work properly:
https://.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?42092-Community-Project-WIP-Weather-amp–Water-Shader&p=553893&viewfull=1#post553893

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@dazuk1978 / @jSlavens / @ppouloup

I am sorry for not replying to your PM’s yet, I have not been doing very well for the last couple weeks, I will try and get back to you asap

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Same as above, haven’t been around much lately, but I’ll try again tomorrow Your fluid surface actor looks great! It’s probably a lot of fun to play with too hey? Nice work man!

[speedpacer]

Thanks for the quick response! Sorry to hear you’re not doing well. I’ll give all these things a whirl.

I do know that the sun and moon are often both above the horizon… I guess it just looked odd being so prominent, maybe too close. I didn’t really dig into it that much because I was having these other issues but I’ll take a look at it again when have a .

Thanks again.

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@;563527

The issues with underwater will be caused by not having a Post Process actor in the scene with the Blendables PP material in the Misc section (and make sure the PP volume is “UnBound”), check the implementation of the PP_Global actor in the demo level. Also make sure you migrate everything in the Sky & folder, along with the ShipsAndExamples\CustomThirdPerson\Blueprints folder at a minimum if you want both the and skydome.

Hey , I haven’t had a to look at the other stuff yet, but I had migrated all of those folders over and copied the PP_Global actor over from the demo project already and verified they all had the same settings between our two projects, several times before I reached out, and everything looked okay, but I just checked again under the Blendables section in PP_Global to make sure and there is 1 element pointing to /Game//Materials/M_Underwater_PP_Inst and it’s set to 1, priority of 0.0, Blend radius of 100 (greyed out), Blend weight of 1.0, enabled and Unbound. It’s all of the same settings in the dcSkyTest map of . I have both M_Underwater_PP_Inst and M_Underwater_PP in my project and I don’t see anything unusual jumping out at me in those. I believe it can be reproduced.

Any other ideas?

[anonymous_user_3f4ca383]

@;563527

Please take a look at answer from TK a little while back, the texture needs to be a certain size to work properly:
https://.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?42092-Community-Project-WIP-Weather-amp–Water-Shader&p=553893&viewfull=1#post553893

I saw that post, but heightmap I use for is exactly the same heightmap I use for landscape so it should be ok. Right?

[Walid_Chekkouri]

The oceanBP doesn;t work when i migrate my assets to an other project!

[Walid_Chekkouri]

Sorry but when i migrate it to my project but the underwater wavy effect is not working,any solutions