Ya Epic frankly isn’t very good at doing this
Turns out having more money than god is not all that is required to do something well … or even competently lol
Ya Epic frankly isn’t very good at doing this
Turns out having more money than god is not all that is required to do something well … or even competently lol
Redirected how? like “please see this thread where the issue you reported was pointed out?”
They have asked us to report such issues via support
Support doesn’t do anything but direct people to this thread which tells them they acknowledge the issue and follow-up questions on that is where Epic is telling us to again submit a support case because the form doesn’t work, DMCA isn’t appropriate unless your the rights holder
SO they have created a circular that doesn’t result in anything other than a lot of link clicking
They’ve specifically sent me to one of Unreal Josh’s post within this thread. You guys know which one is it.
It’s kind of disappointing, but I’m extremely glad that it’s something that I’m not directly responsible for
incredible lol
not sure why this thread is marked as resolved, nothing about this is resolved
Hi everyone. Thank you for sharing your feedback here, we really do appreciate your help in making Fab better.
To answer the main question from this thread: yes, we continue to remove hundreds of listings from sale because they are in violation of our Content Guidelines. We are improving our solutions to better identify and better prevent infringing content at the time of publish or update. We will take enforcement action if a publisher is reported and has violated our rules.
We’re also reaching out directly to educate sellers who are in breach of the Fab Distribution Agreement so they understand why their products are violative and ineligible for distribution on Fab, and so they can avoid repeat violations. Unfortunately, some sellers are submitting the product again, either as a new listing or an update, and we’re working on better technical solutions to prevent this from happening.
As for the issues with support, there was a breakdown in the process and that’s not the way these cases should have been handled. Apologies for the confusion, I’ve made sure our team knows not to direct people back to the forums after we’ve received a report.
Thanks,
Josh
Thanks for the update Josh.
Any communication from Epic on this matter lets us know that you are working on this problem, so please keep posting updates.
The problem here is that epic combined two marketplaces that were very dissimilar. Sketchfab was a much freer marketplace in terms of licensing and copyright issues which made it a good choice for small artists and hobbyists to make their name. Unreal marketplace was much more moderated in terms of copyright. This forum thread shows the issues. Buyers from unreal marketplace dont like the more chaotic smaller artist friendly nature of sketchfabs content, and sketchfab users dont like the strict guidelines from the unreal marketplace. I, myself come from the sketchfab side. I create 3d models of cars and sell them as a hobby (all under non commercial licenses). I had been a part of Sketchfab since 2018 and it had been my largest selling platform. Now when Fab came along, I migrated all my models and it was fine, until epic started removing my models due to this copyright concern. They have every right to do so and moderate their marketplace how they like. The problem I have with this is they effectively just removed sketchfab and re-released an unreal marketplace calling it a combination, when it clearly is not a combination of sketchfab and unreal marketplace. Even with permission from the company to sell a model of their design, fab does not allow this (such as turbosquid who has a licensing agreement with Ford to let artists sell ford products). As a small artist, this has damaged my hobby greatly as I have been forced out of sale on sketchfab and none of my models can be sold on fab. I have now switched to gumroad store.
And yet FAB is still approving new ones.
New Pokemon assets literally added to FAB yesterday:
https://www.fab.com/listings/f7cfdbb8-5dd2-4ba4-aaec-fdd1f5fa6f21
https://www.fab.com/listings/f5daf985-2665-4305-9f22-75e7d71af7b3
https://www.fab.com/listings/36168cff-60c9-4536-9f1f-3f1d763eef1f
https://www.fab.com/listings/308142d8-e3e8-4c49-92df-35db91616e8e
You need to FIX the approval process. Nobody is checking. If they were this wouldn’t still be happening. Half of the ones I reported above a week ago are still listed.
The fact that re-submissions of IP infringing content are making it back onto the market again a second time shows that there is insufficient review of new submissions for IP infringement.
Creating a loop of submit-report-ban-resubmit is not a solution to this problem.
Having a AI dealing with submissions is just dumb. If you guys are expanding the marketplace you need additional staff to back it up, not less ppl. The UE marketplace had some really rigorous quality standards, now there is basically none.
If the team can’t clean up house, at least stop accepting new entries until this issue is fixed. What is the point in we continuously reporting stolen stuff here if there are 3 more tomorrow?
Speaking of which, does it actually matters if the price is free? Because thats been an recurring trend
free or not, it is still a copyright violation if you use it in commercial game, so it does matter.
the main issue currently is that developers dont know if they legally can or cant use an asset from fab on commercial projects.
sketchfab was more for hobbyists, and EpicMarketplace was more professional, and now that these 2 stores have been combined, the result is a dumpsterfire.
Not only was Sketchfab more for hobbyists, Sketchfab catered to a more general audience, not just game developers. Sketchfab had models for archviz artists, general rendering artists, look development artists, hobbyists, and models for all different 3d softwares. Not only was sketchfab a place to sell models, it was a place to showcase models. While Unreal marketplace was mostly a marketplace catered towards game developers as it worked closely with unreal engine.
I know for a fact, none of the models I create are designed for game developers. I create all my models for rendering/marketing purposes. Combining these two very different marketplaces was a horrible idea. Game devs dont want non-game ready copyrighted content in their marketplace, and the rest of 3d artists dont want purely game ready copyright free content. So how are they going to resolve this? Someone is going to have to compromise.
Coming from the more rendering based side of things, I like having branded models on these marketplaces. What rendering artist wants to put a render of some non-distinct copyright free car model on their portfolio? I understand the issue with commercial usage of these types of models, but this is why we have licenses dedicated to non-commercial usage. Not everyone who uses Fab is a game dev.
Yes honestly the best solution here would be a walk-back of merging dissimilar markets with totally different needs.
Unfortunately I don’t think that will happen.
Thankfully looks like the 4 new Pokemon listings were removed So thanks for that. Half of the ones in the long list from my earlier post are still up though.
here’s an updated list with more:
https://www.fab.com/listings/0dc05899-a240-4fe7-9ad0-fd33121aaab8
https://www.fab.com/listings/bef24024-e0cd-4849-bd9a-e6214e5012e5
https://www.fab.com/listings/3e5ab49e-5b53-4fad-b3be-0295b039435d
https://www.fab.com/listings/50bbf86f-3144-4832-aa7b-3d14e3e65334
https://www.fab.com/listings/edbee8df-837c-42b5-8f6b-0ac25daad36d
https://www.fab.com/listings/92b6052c-d8d7-4a3b-8e00-6eb75cd6f0c9
https://www.fab.com/listings/a94fda4a-5851-4bb7-bf1f-8ac94af9c670
https://www.fab.com/listings/307a41ff-c2bf-4a84-8854-525f12c1b7b1
https://www.fab.com/listings/6df66450-2007-4afd-a1f6-1f4e063f83b2
https://www.fab.com/listings/b76c17b9-b87f-4a3d-91b1-a98821a1023e
https://www.fab.com/listings/7c8373c5-6e76-46d4-838f-cb9147c7d252
https://www.fab.com/listings/e6e08807-0b04-4ee6-b828-fdc6c77b0e7a
https://www.fab.com/listings/e7dfc257-d34b-49e0-b089-95de8e44482f
https://www.fab.com/listings/4bb1aaaf-6a8b-46bb-91a3-696bb1ee5a03
https://www.fab.com/listings/0b7b80e3-9346-4898-b27b-97eee77dd196
https://www.fab.com/listings/e5a79799-5bc0-4d89-a3ce-3dcc5ce06f9d
https://www.fab.com/listings/82f8ce8f-a5b1-4770-8870-a3f477d46b35
https://www.fab.com/listings/5466860f-e245-4892-9078-5938795c0679
https://www.fab.com/listings/8083a9c3-a9b3-4131-9ae4-19a4e192af7c
https://www.fab.com/listings/8083a9c3-a9b3-4131-9ae4-19a4e192af7c
https://www.fab.com/listings/7f8c9b12-5ad2-490b-87f2-d72cf60dd9fb
https://www.fab.com/listings/efed03ab-3a1c-4330-a5b2-599a20859541
https://www.fab.com/listings/0bdddbd0-4eab-4930-a9d4-b4a4a332e708
https://www.fab.com/listings/9193f4d8-ecdd-4d45-ad61-235cb90c6b6b
https://www.fab.com/listings/7cb79d4d-0055-41ec-9caa-ec41348997f0
https://www.fab.com/listings/52e6f505-9587-4dff-8b70-355a115d86bf
https://www.fab.com/listings/7beee645-daeb-4cb1-9143-2ad2e4e944ac
https://www.fab.com/listings/81ec2cd6-2a35-4f94-b54e-ed54bf18a791
https://www.fab.com/listings/ed1f3040-0334-470f-89b2-5f6c82b5eec0
https://www.fab.com/listings/2a92ada4-8d52-4df7-9a85-2da684338a99
https://www.fab.com/listings/aae1c7a7-a944-4dc4-b147-bb355acba276
https://www.fab.com/listings/0f3656df-8005-427b-842f-16a4e5b7a049
https://www.fab.com/listings/bd795773-fc22-4128-b558-b194279b181b
https://www.fab.com/listings/8f286d68-8948-475c-a72c-50d883bf30d0
https://www.fab.com/listings/7af31cc6-91dd-444f-af0b-4618cecd5d2c
https://www.fab.com/listings/6d97d1b2-1825-46d6-a7ce-f6e18a45267f
https://www.fab.com/listings/9ef4d898-74e9-41dc-ac95-437cb2358922
https://www.fab.com/listings/699589da-d6a7-4e40-af9c-e276c43f74b6
https://www.fab.com/listings/a7c52e13-1792-4b76-8718-ae2800b6cf45
https://www.fab.com/listings/ffb584c5-b1ea-4c7a-96eb-355a0707005d
https://www.fab.com/listings/4b6e96f6-9861-454a-ab93-b1c94fda4947
https://www.fab.com/listings/0f01afaa-a081-4e09-a191-7b3aad7f5588
https://www.fab.com/listings/f1374fd1-99ed-4dd4-9224-ed9f80a85e65
https://www.fab.com/listings/ad1ff219-6590-402a-b23f-06defe13627c
https://www.fab.com/listings/110e43f0-8573-42d5-9792-455b390a3a4e
https://www.fab.com/listings/e31f7234-13c8-40ba-9504-e96d50d02aa6
https://www.fab.com/listings/3b699844-d7ff-4b9c-891d-569320ff2186
https://www.fab.com/listings/273d4d27-df1d-42f6-b162-c85e8ee01421
Took about 5 mins to find these while having coffee this morning, again highlighting the low burden of effort required to fix this. Not to mention hundreds and hundreds of AI junk assets that ruin the store which Epic is just allowing to proliferate out of control:
Yet another reason why two stores was better: Sketchfab let all this junk in, while Epic Marketplace had standards. Now FAB is just The Pirate Bay and there’s no alternative.
That block list can’t come soon enough.
And next time, can you provide an quick summary of those listings? At least that way the rest of us can be an little bit faster with reporting stuff.
Sure thing
Game cant compromise is the issue
A small studio, solo indie, etc.
MUST be able to trust that the content licensed in the marketplace that insists its there for them to license content from … is safe and fit for use in the development of commercially published games.
If its AI AI-generated that makes it invalid for publishing on Steam
If its licensed content that is again a no-go permission to use and sale licensed content such as you modeling a can of Coke even if you have permission from the company to do so does not extend that permission to say me to sale a game using that content
Then there is the blatantly stolen stuff … it is theft when you rip a model from something without the express permission of the owner and then resale it … and there is/was a LOT of that going on in Sketch
Fact of the matter is that sort of “marketplace” was always a gray market and was NEVER appropriate for professional work. It should not have and cannot be effectively merged in with professional assets and tools.
I would argue that Sketchfab shouldn’t have allowed it either it is problematic at best
Rather your doing arc vis, YouTube shorts, games, whatever … IP ownership, trademark and copyright in the general should have always been “the” cornerstone of any content store.
without that its only a matter of time either you stagnate and die off, or you grow, pull down the wrath (as YouTube did years back) and are forced to do a sudden and expensive change.
Unfortunately yes. Still waiting for action on this.
If they want to allow a sketchy side-show with legally-questionable assets then it should be a separate market to separate developers from hobbyists making 3D prints.
Hey wait a second, that’s how it used to work…
Well, to be fair, I haven’t seen an lot of AI generated icons, this week.
But most of the stuff that I found after taking an break appears to be something that was manually made (like a nude model of an licensed character)
Yesterday: https://www.fab.com/listings/f7ef0ce8-3179-4a1f-9809-7f8485e1a6a1 (and I’m only looking into UE content).