i would think that the case if i was checking the length. which im not. last index will read 0 1 2 3 depending on the indexes in the array. length on the other hand goes by 12 3 an never starts at 0. ill test it anyways to see if thats the case when im in the office tomorrow but from what i under stand unless its been changed last index will start at 0 if there is a index in the array other wise it starts at -1 if no index’s are in the array.