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  • #31
    Hello, me again.
    I'm confused right now. I'm programming a new code plugin. I want to use a part of the C++ code from the AudioRecorder plugin. I have sent an email to support and I'm not allowed to use anything from Epics plugins.

    Why not? Do the plugins have a different license?
    Last edited by Socke81; 01-09-2018, 05:23 PM.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Socke81 View Post
      Hello, me again.
      I'm confused right now. I'm programming a new code plugin. I want to use a part of the C++ code from the AudioRecorder plugin. I have sent an email to support and I'm not allowed to use anything from Epics plugins.

      Why not? Do the plugins have a different license?
      How much of that code is replicated in your code? That code is as free as the engine. The logic 1st applied is that you cannot generate a version of the engine or its components and resell. So, it all depends on "how similar" that part of code is, basically a code is not copyrighted unless that part of the code belongs to a specific algorithm (unless it is yours), technique (unless it is yours) or way that will only work on the engine.

      Lets say I want to redesign the Renderer module and make it better. That Renderer, besides it can be switched in the engine code, it so tighly attached to it, that it will not work without the rest of the engine, and probably will not work in other engine aswell, so by design, even if it is better, you cannot sell it, because the intrinsic dependencies. You can thou, have it as part of your own custom engine version (4.18.2.Socke81) and create a game and sell this game, but you can't come up with this piece of code and try to sell for the engine users, because the dependency makes it not belong to you.

      Im sorry if Im not well enough in english to explain this, but I hope I could achieve it.
      Last edited by NilsonLima; 01-09-2018, 05:37 PM.
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      • #33
        1. Epics AudioCapture plugin can record audio and convert it to UE4 specific audio formats and .wav format. I am working on an voip/voice chat plugin. I want to use few parts in my own code. Not a exact copy but parts to get data from mic and maybe to convert it to a sound cue or wav.

        2. Epics AudioCapture plugin uses a thirdparty library. This:
        UE_4.18\Engine\Plugins\Editor\AudioCapture\Source\AudioCapture\Private\RtAudio.h
        UE_4.18\Engine\Plugins\Editor\AudioCapture\Source\AudioCapture\Private\RtAudio.cpp
        http://www.music.mcgill.ca/~gary/rtaudio/

        I asked the support whether I could use this library too. And is this still Third party? It is a part of UE4.
        I was told not to use anything. That's why I asked here. This can't be right. Why shouldn't that be allowed?
        Last edited by Socke81; 01-09-2018, 06:35 PM.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Socke81 View Post
          1. Epics AudioCapture plugin can record audio and convert it to UE4 specific audio formats and .wav format. I am working on an voip/voice chat plugin. I want to use few parts in my own code. Not a exact copy but parts to get data from mic and maybe to convert it to a sound cue or wav.

          2. Epics AudioCapture plugin uses a thirdparty library. This:
          UE_4.18\Engine\Plugins\Editor\AudioCapture\Source\AudioCapture\Private\RtAudio.h
          UE_4.18\Engine\Plugins\Editor\AudioCapture\Source\AudioCapture\Private\RtAudio.cpp
          http://www.music.mcgill.ca/~gary/rtaudio/

          I asked the support whether I could use this library too. And is this still Third party? It is a part of UE4.
          I was told not to use anything. Absolutely nothing. That's why I asked here. This is not open source in any way.
          I have checked the page and you can use it "if" you follow these instructions at the License page:

          "License

          RtAudio: a set of realtime audio i/o C++ classes
          Copyright (c) 2001-2017 Gary P. Scavone

          Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:

          The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.

          Any person wishing to distribute modifications to the Software is asked to send the modifications to the original developer so that they can be incorporated into the canonical version. This is, however, not a binding provision of this license.

          THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE."


          check that you MUST put the copyright notice somewhere with your product source folders and also put it on the files where you use the library code, including the link as Epic did. It is also a good procedure, to create a document with the link and its content, the use you will give to it also, to be autenticated at (notary's office - register) that the link at the date of the authentication had the exactly text above. It is your safeguard because that content might change and you need proof you are legal.
          Last edited by NilsonLima; 01-09-2018, 06:43 PM. Reason: the register/notary's office authenticarion included
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          • #35
            Hi all,
            I wanted to make sure everyone saw that we'll be having a livestream today to talk about copyright and trademark laws. You can find the details here.


            Josh

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            • #36
              copyright being violated also resides in the shape/silhouette of the asset
              Well, in most cases these aren't actually copyrights in question.
              The rights that may be involved here are either design patent rights or the so-called "trade dress" rights.

              1) The design patent rights actually grant the owner copyright-like powers over ornamental (e.g those not dictated by the item's function or constuction) features of the design (this may be the whole external look of the issue, if not dicated solely by technical considerations). These rights however, last AFAIK 15 years in USA and up to 25 years elsewhere (the laws differ from one country to another). So things designed before 31.12.1992, or 31.12.2002 for the US are most likely free from design patent rights.

              2) The trade dress issue is a bit trickier. The "trade dress" is actually a trademark right, granting the owner trademark powers over ornamental (e.g those not dictated by the item's function or constuction) features of the design (this may be the whole external look of the issue, if not dicated solely by technical considerations).
              Becaus it is a trademark right, "trade dress" could be registered in only one country, or it several, or variably across the globe.

              Here ( http://www.wipo.int/branddb/en/ ) it is possible to consult the register (not all countries are covered, but international trademark applications as well as US, EU, Canadian, German, and some other trademarks are.
              If a particular design is not registered as a trade dress, things actually get much easier - unregistered trademarks are granted far less protections if any at all (depends on the jurisdiction in question, really).

              As the "trade dress" are trademarks, they are protected only if a) the have the capacity to indicate a source of origin for goods, b) they are used in commerce and not abandoned. From there arise several considerations.
              1) If an unregistered trade dress have become generic (this means the desing is used in commerce by several different firms, each marketing the design under their own trademarked names for significant time) it is not protected and more still, no-one particular would be there to complain alleged misuse.
              Considering the question of firearms design (they, as I heard, caused most questions here) this means that designs like M1911, or generic pump-action shotgun, or generic lever-action Henry rifle are free to be exploited by members
              2) If an unregistered trade dress is not used in commerce by the owner (item get out of production) it is not protected. For practical considerations the designs originating with the now-defunct manufacturers or those out of production for a decade or more are most likely free to exploit.

              Also, some specific cases you might find somewhat interesting

              1) The M16 rifle. Associated trademark and trade dress ( http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=78...e=statusSearch ) invalidated and declared generic. With the patents on it also expired by the virtue of time passed - no restrictions would apply on using the design.
              PS: Colt, FN, Colt's and FN's logos and brand markings remain trademarked
              2) The M4 carbine. Associated trademark and trade dress ( http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=76...e=statusSearch ) invalidated and declared generic. With the patents on it also expired by the virtue of time passed - no restrictions would apply on using the design.
              PS: Colt, FN, Colt's and FN's logos and brand markings remain trademarked
              3) MP5 SMG. Trademark applications ( https://www.tmdn.org/tmview/get-deta...nchorTrademark , https://register.dpma.de/DPMAregiste...632/DE?lang=en ) refused on grounds of the design being functional or aesthetically functional.
              PS: H&K, their logo and brand markings remain trademarked
              4) XM8 rifle. Trademark application abandoned ( http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=78...e=statusSearch ) more than 10 years ago.
              PS: H&K, their logo and brand markings remain trademarked
              5) Beretta 92FS (M9) pistol. Trademark application abandoned ( http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=73...e=statusSearch ) more than 20 years ago.
              PS: Pietro Beretta firm, their logo and brand markings remain trademarked

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