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UE5 final version will be released until 2022?

Hi, a long time ago, it was said that UE5 final version will be released in 2021, now there is information that UE5 (final version or 5.0.1) will take longer, releasing until 2022, is it true?

The problem is that UE5 is only in an early access stage, not production ready, and neither Chaos or Apex are guaranteed for UE5 final version; Chaos is still really bad with FPS, honestly useless, but Apex even though FPS is way better and easier to use it does causes drops over time, this uncertainty makes that projects requiring destruction be delayed, also because it was said, that converting UE4 projects to UE5 was not going to be possible… so, regardless the final destruction system and not being production ready yet, this delay also affects any project wanting to use UE5, because we cannot start with UE4.26 or UE5 early version, and not any market place plugin and asset is going to update to UE5, until the final version is released.

Some recommendations (wishlist):

  • Please enable Nanite for painted foliage (Foliage is a bigger issue than rocks and statues…).
  • Allow Nanite for VR (not sure if it works with mobile yet).
  • Improve widgets to use giff animations.
  • Improve widgets for easy gamepad navigation.
  • Allow custom Input gamepad button “names”, for Xbox controllers, etc (this will also allow us to easy localize languages for them)
  • Enable gravity to any direction (or material based) with IA navigation, not just up-down.
  • Niagara is still highly demanding, maybe we could create high quality effects in Niagara and just convert them into flipbooks in Niagara, instead of importing flipbook textures, that would make the engine 100% free from FPS drops, and poor quality effects for mobile and VR.
  • Import Z axis option, for Maya designers, always having trouble with the correct Up axis.
  • Multi Paint Layers for regular meshes, instead of vertex painting (why keep using vertex, when we could just paint the UVs as we do in Substance Painter)
  • Please improve the sequencer, so we can stop a sequence at any time (In-game) and make actors to stay in that position, currently they return to 0 or to the default position in the editor.
  • Please improve the Groom hair-feather system for better optimization, better hair color control and materials.
  • Play a movie clip from the sequencer, full screen, HD, without using planes in the scene, just a play button option and be able to visualize the video clip in the sequencer to be able to add VFX and music in UE an perfectly sync them with the pre-rendered movie.
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UE4 project will be convertible to UE5, this is the official info. You can safely start with 4.26, then migrate to 4.27 once it gets released and then migrate to UE5 release next year.

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What’s your source??? Loose rumors are kinda toxic.
So if you have a link to something solid please share… :wink:

On their official faq they mention that the planned release date is early 2022: Frequently Asked Questions - Unreal Engine

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Yes of course, I would never spread lies… I’m not that type of people, I love Epic and UE, I´m only concerned about the final release, project delays, and here is the real source of this information from May 26 2021, based on an interview with Chance Ivey and Galen Davis of Epic Games:

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Thanks for posting. Still can’t view it though. Something changed in the last year (since the switch-over to discourse?). Now most Epic web-pages including the Marketplace don’t load properly. The reason it would appear, is that they’re now saturated in new trackers. If specific cookies / domains are blocked, core content on pages stays hidden. Seems like its NOT tied to browser / device. Unfortunate PITA, but still not letting all trackers through. :rage:

I just hope its optimized.

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For what it’s worth, the trackers on the Unreal sites seem to all be to figure out how you use the site, how the site performs for you, and general demographics information such as “where are you using this” and such, all of which are legitimate needs for the engine developers and for those running the Unreal web sites. It’s not like they’re laden down with pre-roll video ads or malware cursor pack downloads …

If you don’t want them to have this information (which absolutely helps them do a better job supporting us all) then feel free to cut those off, but then you also give up the expectation that the site will actually, you know, work well for you… That trade-off is of course different for every person.

Main point: Just because it’s called a “tracker” doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s going to be used to your own detriment. In fact, people who run websites, need to know who uses the website, and how it works for them, to be able to run those sites better.

Maybe / maybe not. Gotta ask, what’s that assessment based on / how much of it is assumptions? Historically Epic / Tim Sweeney have been good about non-invasive tracking. But not sure how long that will last, especially if Tim retires (same goes for Tim@Apple btw). There’s a whole industry devoted to tracking that’s out of control. You only have to look at this, and ask how long til that nightmare comes West? A lot has changed since this wider discussion (remember any of it? :wink:). We all live in an episode of Black Mirror now. :stuck_out_tongue:

That may be your assessment. Having operated web sites, including heavily ad oriented ones, for the better part of the last 15 years, and seen this “tracking” from the inside, I find it to be much more pedestrian and much less sinister.

If all of the West suddenly votes populist-totalitarian and empowers the secret police to come for your web records when you search for the wrong kind of literature, then I shall have been proven wrong, but … let’s say, I’d be willing to take pretty long odds on that actually happening :slight_smile:

Anyway, my assessment of the EPIC website is by comparing their list of beacons in my tracker-tracker to what a reasonable web developer would use. And, generally, I prefer to let web developers get the information they need to operate the site better.

However, I much disklike loud advertising that’s trying to tell me that I’m inferior and only buying a new shiny product will make my soul whole. That ■■■■’s corrosive! And also, a real threat to our well-being as humans! But also, not something you find on the Unreal developer sites.

What you mean, Is that we should avoid starting our projects with UE5 early version 2? we won’t be able to convert those projects to UE5 final version?

We should start our UE5 projects on UE4.26, right now we won’t be able to use Nanite, Lumen, MegaAssemblie or any new feature… But when UE5 is released we will be able to upgrade only from UE4.26-27 and use all UE5 features, but if we use UE5 right now, since it is an early version, we won’t be able to convert without bugs.

I haven’t said that. UE5.0ea projects are going to be convertible to UE5, this is the official info.

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You did not read the documentation. :expressionless:

This makes no sense. It should literally be the other way around.

Just to summarize there are 2 paths:

  • UE26 → UE5EA → UE5
  • UE26 → UE27 → UE5

The only thing that you can’t do is upgrade from UE27 to UE5EA, those are not going to be compatible at all.

Isn’t there 4.28 coming too? :thinking:

AFAIK there is no mention about 4.28 anywhere.

What I said is taken from their own documentation: Welcome To Unreal Engine 5 Early Access | Unreal Engine Documentation

Lots of hints about 4.28:

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why would assume then that it has the same rule as 4.27, it will will not be compatible with early access version but you can safely assume that you will be able to update to ue5 final release

So, we should not use UE4.27 and up, we should stay with UE4.26.2, at least if we want to upgrade our projects to UE5 when released in 2022 and avoid compatibility issues, that’s basically it?

I do think UE4.28 is coming, and even UE4.29 if UE5 is delayed again, I don’t think anybody was expecting a UE4.27 version last year.

Actually I wish I could start with UE5EA right now… but not any marketplace product, asset or plugin has been updated to UE5, I have asked several developers and they all tell me that they are only updating their assets when UE5 is officially released, not EA, and at this point I can only guess April 2022, I still think this is not good news; what would happen if we start a UE4.26 project with Market Place products and since no developer is updating anything at this moment, when trying to upgrade to UE5 (2022) we can’t, because of a plugin issue, materials not working, the Grooming system is reworked, or you paint a landscape for months and the new UE5 system is completely different… people are already having issues when trying to convert UE4 projects to UE5EA, even more if they use market place assets, just search it in the forums.

Polycount has never been an issue with LOD´s, and even if UE5 can hold 1 TB assets, you are never going to release a game with more than 80GB… unless you are really nuts, so the nanite tech is great, not the next revolutionary thing, most computers don’t even have more than 1TB in free disk space, Oculus 2 is 50GB, and you are releasing a 3TB game filled with mega assemblies and non optimized assets; I don’t think LODs are ever going to be replaced, Nanite it is a great feature and I love it for detailed assets and cinematics… I think this feature has more future for the film industry, not games; anyway foliage is far more important than rocks.

I think a great destruction and dynamics system would be the next thing for games, honestly… and even more for the film industry, like real water simulations, destruction without FPS drops, but nothing is guaranteed right now, I just wish chaos had been better, FPS is terrible right now, but I still believe, and hope that the final version has no previously announced features and I know it will, for now, the one thing I feel is fantastic about UE5 is lumen, I think lumen is beautiful, dynamic and hyper realistic.

You can safely use UE4.27 and then update to UE5 next year, you just can’t update to Early Access version if you choose to start with UE4.27.