I need to spill my guts out!

[Maximum-Dev]

@Chariots;569739

I think if UE4 has documentation about it, has all examples/samples in same naming convention, has its engine content in the same naming convention, have been using same naming convention for multiple engine generations, you can safely say it is good practice (engine standard) to include them, regardless of the naming conventions of other engines that are irrelevant to UE4 and it’s marketplace. If users do not care for that consistency, then it’s fine there is no. But if they do, now they’ll need to check every asset and rename them and update references. Not having them has a net negative affect for some users, while having them has no negative effect to any user.

@Chariots;569739

If it is widely used in the engine, why not follow the same golden path? Why use custom conventions and add to the noise? Why not make your assets as seamless as possible with the engine? I think most people have painted a good enough picture about its merits.

Again, “do it this way because it was always done like this before” is the most traditionally way of thinking on a modern day. Which also equals to “don’t do it that way because that’s never been done before”. On a side note I assure you while paragon is probably following the same naming conventions as Epic suggests (because it’s being developed by Epic), there is a very very slight Gears of War 4 (different developer) is also following the exact naming convention all around and yet both are being developed on the same game engine and nothing needs renaming as no issues arise. I do not see a need to continue the discussion about prefixes on this thread anymore. If this is a matter of “It should be done this way because we say so” then that’s fine by me and I will obey. I don’t own the house. Deep down I know I’m having +500 clients who have been always happy with the work I’ve done.

@Chariots;569739

*Most marketplace creators just don’t know better as most of them come from other asset stores to sell their ports, they don’t really care and it shows.

As someone who has dedicated his work to UE4 for the past 2 years and, and currently developer of the package that has received most number of free updates on the whole UE4 marketplace to deliver a consistent experience to the buyers on top of hours of assistance over skype and never tried to port UE4 content packs to other stores such as Unity and else. I am offended to hear that if it’s directed to me.

@JoeWintergreen;569757

I can’t believe this turned into a big discussion of the least important aspect of the post

Unfortunately. After 6 pages main still remains unsolved.

@Chariots;569773

Some vendors point out the piracy element in this. Concern is people would just buy and return while keeping the assets. Well, they can do that now with piracy if that was what they were after. This isn’t an with Steam, even with DRM free games. On the games that do have DRM, circumventing it is as easy as copying a modified .exe found from simple google search. All in all, people would do such a thing, most likely wouldn’t bother with providing payment info, getting billed on their credit card with however minute interest, consider constantly changing exchange rates, and getting back the money after up to a month later (In one case I ended up waiting 2 months for a refund from an online retailer). While that is what first comes to mind, I don’t think it’s a likely scenario that would happen as often as people make it out to be (and I don’t think that is what is happening now). Worst offenders could get banned (if they aren’t using stolen credit cards to begin with), and Epic can place a refund cooldown period, say, 7 days of no refund afterwards for example.

At the end of the day, this comes down to whether or not you want to keep the money of the people that are not satisfied with the product they received, and whether or not you treat every customer as if they are a pirate and liability.

This isn’t necessarily true. Latest version of my pack available on torrent is months old. Why would someone download the 6 months old package which includes half less content if they can flood the marketplace with purchases and refunds. Just because at some point some content is illegally made available for download it doesn’t mean we should stop any protection on the original source. Just because your car was stolen once and generally all cars can be stolen it doesn’t mean you should never lock your car. When someone points to a single material file with an unnamed parameter in a package that has more than 100 functional pieces he is admitting all his evil intentions behind it. Has anyone came to me and in honesty revealed they are truly desperate with the content I’d have asked Epic to grant them a refund but some people trying to be sneaky all the time is something else. In your ideal system these people should be refunded without question is just horrible. To build customer protection you are putting together an Anti-Seller system that runs the off.

@JoeWintergreen;569787

What about having each marketplace seller get to determine the outcome of refund requests? Probably less, and easier, work for Epic to review sellers occasionally to make sure they aren’t unjustly declining refunds than for Epic to go through every refund request themselves, presumably without detailed knowledge of the product.

As long as a seller complains about unjustified refunds should be stopped they are told “why do you think every buyer is scuag." Ref. post #203.
But why is it that sellers don’t get the right to decide for the refunds? "I guess all sellers are scuag” ?

@WeekendWarrior;569840

at the end of the day saying people will steal you content if the allow more refunds is stupid, it sound like you are hiding behind Epic and using them as a excuses to make sub-par content, knowing that when people buy it its there bad luck

I was lucky to become a seller after the refund policy was updated. @SE_JonF had +30 Refunds in a short time is not a joke. His stats are still there. His content are best in terms of quality and performance I have his collection and I testify it. And he is by peoples word one of the best content creators ever participated in Marketplace and then quit because of the same issues. Most of us have worked on some AAA games you’ll see coming out on the market this or next year and have nothing to hide behind Epic for. Yet we are hearing all these negativity all based on assumptions, personal thoughts, ideas and emotions and never a single time anybody discussed it from a data driven perspective.