# Foliage has a Shadow noise/grain - How to fix it? **URL:** \ **Category:** Rendering\ **Tags:** noise, unreal-engine, Anti-Aliasing, Foliage, ambient-occlusion, Nanite, question\ **Created:** [December 13, 2022, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/foliage-has-a-shadow-noise-grain-how-to-fix-it/727330 "2022-12-13T12:28:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Renanmgs](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@Renanmgs](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/Renanmgs)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2022, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/foliage-has-a-shadow-noise-grain-how-to-fix-it/727330/1 "2022-12-13T12:28:13Z")
I am trying to render some Nanite foliage btue the TSR is giveing me a lot of grain/noise in the foliage shadows. If you focus in the trees and grass you can see them clearly. [https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/6/d/26ded1d67001e766b95acb17dd4824ff14443113.mp4](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/6/d/26ded1d67001e766b95acb17dd4824ff14443113.mp4) What to do? what is the definitive solution for a crisp and clear render for a Virtual Produciton/InCamera VFX live recording? ---
**Author:** ![ClockworkOcean](https://d1ap1mz92jnks1.cloudfront.net/user_avatar/forums.unrealengine.com/clockworkocean/32/1169999_2.png) [@ClockworkOcean](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/ClockworkOcean)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2022, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/foliage-has-a-shadow-noise-grain-how-to-fix-it/727330/2 "2022-12-13T12:37:53Z")
Did you try other anti-aliasing methods? ---
**Author:** ![Renanmgs](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@Renanmgs](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/Renanmgs)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2022, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/foliage-has-a-shadow-noise-grain-how-to-fix-it/727330/3 "2022-12-13T12:40:52Z")
Yes, the TAA is the best one but the image gets more blurier. =z [https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/a/b/c/abccb0f11165ad3d0b6efc42d5042c7ff6231cee.mp4](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/a/b/c/abccb0f11165ad3d0b6efc42d5042c7ff6231cee.mp4) TSR [https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/8/c/3/8c3b630e327d7ec8668525b053350386983a1c93.mp4](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/8/c/3/8c3b630e327d7ec8668525b053350386983a1c93.mp4) TAA [https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/1/1/3/1139f35a4ebaa032b043d6b6cb089e79806261dc.mp4](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/1/1/3/1139f35a4ebaa032b043d6b6cb089e79806261dc.mp4) ---
**Author:** ![ClockworkOcean](https://d1ap1mz92jnks1.cloudfront.net/user_avatar/forums.unrealengine.com/clockworkocean/32/1169999_2.png) [@ClockworkOcean](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/ClockworkOcean)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2022, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/foliage-has-a-shadow-noise-grain-how-to-fix-it/727330/4 "2022-12-13T13:19:17Z")
I know… I don’t have a solution. It’s related to foliage / Nanite / Lumen. I assume it’s going to improve… ---
**Author:** ![Renanmgs](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@Renanmgs](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/Renanmgs)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2022, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/foliage-has-a-shadow-noise-grain-how-to-fix-it/727330/5 "2022-12-13T13:26:45Z")
It has to be a way sisnce they releases Fortnite in 5.1 and there is no grain in their foliage as se can see here: [![](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/e/5/b/e5bf97a8bceb989e102ec1f477620a9bae09bfc8.jpeg "Fortnite Unreal Engine 5.1 LOOKS ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE.. But Unplayable on ULTRA Settings | RTX 4090") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htBxnqKyL0Y) ---
**Author:** ![ClockworkOcean](https://d1ap1mz92jnks1.cloudfront.net/user_avatar/forums.unrealengine.com/clockworkocean/32/1169999_2.png) [@ClockworkOcean](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/ClockworkOcean)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2022, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/foliage-has-a-shadow-noise-grain-how-to-fix-it/727330/6 "2022-12-13T13:37:35Z")
That would be a very non-vanilla version of the engine. I also don’t see any moving foliage. ---
**Author:** ![Renanmgs](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@Renanmgs](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/Renanmgs)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2022, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/foliage-has-a-shadow-noise-grain-how-to-fix-it/727330/7 "2022-12-13T13:44:58Z")
My grass dont move as well, but the noise in the TSR is just too strong. ---
**Author:** ![Renanmgs](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@Renanmgs](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/Renanmgs)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/foliage-has-a-shadow-noise-grain-how-to-fix-it/727330/8 "2022-12-15T11:58:31Z")
I just downloaded the [MAWI Redwood Forest | Unreal Engine 5.1 Nanite](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trVgBpSAVC8&ab_channel=MAWIUnitedGmbH) Demo and they managed to avoid this noise in the shadows, i just need to know how =z ---
**Author:** ![ClockworkOcean](https://d1ap1mz92jnks1.cloudfront.net/user_avatar/forums.unrealengine.com/clockworkocean/32/1169999_2.png) [@ClockworkOcean](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/ClockworkOcean)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/foliage-has-a-shadow-noise-grain-how-to-fix-it/727330/9 "2022-12-15T12:08:53Z")
I know they are very into ‘early Z pass’, you might try that? > [@Early Z pass performance breakthrough?](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/early-z-pass-performance-breakthrough/115013): > > Enabling Early Z pass on Masked materials in render settings is giving me a huge boost in a scene with tons of foliage. However, it is unable to render 2d sprites in some areas while causing jagged shadows of characters in one area. I initially thought that the jagged shadows were being caused because of something else. Turning Early Z pass off or setting it to automatic fixes the shadow issue but brings back the overdraw and shader complexity. My questions: \>I have been reading up on early Z … ---
**Author:** ![Renanmgs](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@Renanmgs](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/Renanmgs)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/foliage-has-a-shadow-noise-grain-how-to-fix-it/727330/10 "2022-12-15T12:16:00Z")
Having a look at it right now, ty! ---
**Author:** ![ClockworkOcean](https://d1ap1mz92jnks1.cloudfront.net/user_avatar/forums.unrealengine.com/clockworkocean/32/1169999_2.png) [@ClockworkOcean](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/ClockworkOcean)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/foliage-has-a-shadow-noise-grain-how-to-fix-it/727330/11 "2022-12-15T12:18:23Z")
I just though, that’s probably not the answer, as it’s enabled on a project wide basis… Maybe contact them and ask? ---
**Author:** ![Renanmgs](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@Renanmgs](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/Renanmgs)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/foliage-has-a-shadow-noise-grain-how-to-fix-it/727330/12 "2022-12-15T12:23:11Z")
Well, I commented on their video asking for a solution LOL aahahha. Besides that, [I rendered my scene](https://www.reddit.com/r/unrealengine/comments/zm7da8/alder_forest_more_updates_on_my_nanite_forest/) in 4 hours with MRQ and it look soo nice! Just having a little problems with some foliage shadows bumping from nothing in the begining, but I am pretty happy. ([HD Version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TOGplorcak)) Now in realtime it is just impossible because of this current problem in the foliage shadows. ---
**Author:** ![Renanmgs](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@Renanmgs](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/Renanmgs)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/foliage-has-a-shadow-noise-grain-how-to-fix-it/727330/13 "2022-12-15T12:44:42Z")
Tried all of the pass settings, not a single change. Sad. ---
**Author:** ![ClockworkOcean](https://d1ap1mz92jnks1.cloudfront.net/user_avatar/forums.unrealengine.com/clockworkocean/32/1169999_2.png) [@ClockworkOcean](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/ClockworkOcean)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/foliage-has-a-shadow-noise-grain-how-to-fix-it/727330/14 "2022-12-15T12:52:23Z")
You can contact them directly, I have, they answer… [support@mawiunited.com](mailto:support@mawiunited.com) ---
**Author:** ![Renanmgs](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@Renanmgs](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/Renanmgs)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/foliage-has-a-shadow-noise-grain-how-to-fix-it/727330/15 "2022-12-15T12:57:44Z")
WIll try that, thanks very much! ---
**Author:** ![ClockworkOcean](https://d1ap1mz92jnks1.cloudfront.net/user_avatar/forums.unrealengine.com/clockworkocean/32/1169999_2.png) [@ClockworkOcean](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/ClockworkOcean)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/foliage-has-a-shadow-noise-grain-how-to-fix-it/727330/16 "2022-12-15T13:00:26Z")
Be specific. Engine version, nanite or not etc… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Renanmgs](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@Renanmgs](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/Renanmgs)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/foliage-has-a-shadow-noise-grain-how-to-fix-it/727330/17 "2022-12-15T13:21:56Z")
Just sent them an email. ---
**Author:** ![ClockworkOcean](https://d1ap1mz92jnks1.cloudfront.net/user_avatar/forums.unrealengine.com/clockworkocean/32/1169999_2.png) [@ClockworkOcean](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/ClockworkOcean)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/foliage-has-a-shadow-noise-grain-how-to-fix-it/727330/18 "2022-12-15T13:29:06Z")
Be interested to hear… ---
**Author:** ![Renanmgs](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@Renanmgs](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/Renanmgs)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 3:29am UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/foliage-has-a-shadow-noise-grain-how-to-fix-it/727330/19 "2022-12-18T03:29:26Z")
No awnsers yet, really frustrating, dont wanna giveup in this project butdamn this is a huge let down. [https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/c/a/7/ca7e7a63d46ad9d5ea8f9db52918dd280018ebfa.mp4](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/c/a/7/ca7e7a63d46ad9d5ea8f9db52918dd280018ebfa.mp4) Look at all this flickering and artifacts, such a mess… ---
**Author:** ![ClockworkOcean](https://d1ap1mz92jnks1.cloudfront.net/user_avatar/forums.unrealengine.com/clockworkocean/32/1169999_2.png) [@ClockworkOcean](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/ClockworkOcean)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/foliage-has-a-shadow-noise-grain-how-to-fix-it/727330/20 "2022-12-18T08:41:51Z")
Just keep going. I imagine they will release 5.1.1 soonish… [Next page](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/foliage-has-a-shadow-noise-grain-how-to-fix-it/727330.md?page=2)