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I find the “brutal” font for post content particularly difficult to read. Way too bold.

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I don’t like the new forums at all, I feel like looking at a wall of text on the start page. I might eventually get used to it but since I joined the Unreal community recently, I want to say I did not at all feel lost in the old style forums when I visited first.

I think it is a step backwards in terms of usability, even though I understand the technical reasons to migrate away from the old style forums.

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For me, the only thing I really mind is the bloated posts. Ironically, the design can be reverted back to the old forum design by just zooming out to 80%:


Image sqashed on purpose to save space.


The only other two problems I have is:

  1. There’s no scrollbar or pages on the topics, so there’s no way to jump to threads (e.g. to find an old thread, you have to scroll all the way to it with the mouse wheel).
  2. Besides bold and italics, there are no formatting tools like font, size, color, or even underline.

Everything else is ok:


Infinite scroll:
Imo it’s actually better than pages. If you need to go to a post, you scroll straight to the post using the forum scrollbar instead of having to figure out which page it was on. You only need to use the mouse (no keyboard) and the number of operations is reduced:

  1. Click and hold the scrollbar
  2. Move the scrollbar up or down to post number
  3. Release

Also, you can type the post in the url and it will go to it as well.


Replies:
Great feature. Though, there should be an option to hide replies to a post from the main thread if you’ve already read them at the post. It’s constant deja-vu reading replies twice.


Fast & easy structuring:

  • Play around with with star (*);
    • it does
      • a lot
    • of
  • things,

as well as other symbols.


With the bugs:
They already acknowledged bugs could happen in the first post of this thread, so there’s no surprise there. The bugs will eventually get fixed.


With the signatures:
There’s technically already a place for signatures: where the “Marketplace Creator/Rocket Beta Users” is. They can just put the signature there. Make it a signature “title” which fits on top, and when you click it, the full one pops up, just like when clicking the profile pick. Or even better: it can replace the post itself with the signature, so you would switch between the post and the signature. And, since you only view one at a time, this would allow you to have big signatures without taking up extra space.

But, for the time being, you can emulate signatures by using a


bar to separate text, which is done by typing (***) on a single line. Alternatively, if you want to be considerate and save space, you can hide it like this:

Click here to see my signature.

Click here to go to this post.

I always liked the one-liner signatures.
The ones with LARGE images are the ones that always bothered me and I never clicked any of them…

The line sequence of links were useful to me, to have quick and easy visual recognition of when a post ended, because of speed reading.
I usually don’t read the posts, I look at shapes until I identify what I actually should pay attention to.

This forum is hard to detect distinct shapes and forms, it’s like learning to read again, so it’s fair to see why so many people are mad about the upgrade.

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Exactly one-line sigs are perfect. And if you’re a marketplace creator use it for quick links. Especially for those Marketplace creators who opt to help people on here occasionally. :wink:

People mad? I for one feel quite neutral about the new forums. I just think Epic should have offered an archive of the old forums. As having to consume 7 years of old posts in the new format is painful / counter-productive. The new chat style may also kill off more in-depth discussion, which was what the forums were supposed to be about vs Answerhub or Discord.

But overall, I wish that Epic didn’t ask for suggestions about how to reboot engagement on here and then just ignore it all! I guess Epic is banking on UE5 being enough of a draw. Will it? Maybe / maybe not. But if it doesn’t work out it could be a case of egg meets face. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

@Amanda.Schade @VictorLerp

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Looking forward to cashing in on my 28k AH karma. Shouldn’t have spent any of it on regularly downvoting low quality stuff. ;p

These are wicked ideas; sounds too good to be true, though, ha. I was happy with a badge.

Also +1 for one-line sigs, I redirected people to specific posts before, suggesting they investigate this and that person’s signature.

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Is it too good to be true, or does it just depend on metrics / priorities? After all, Epic managed to give away ~20bn in games. How did they do that? Right now for us devs, they give away 5 MP packs a month (sometimes even more permanently). So what’s that about / what’s the goal?

If its to grow engagement on here, then that risks rewarding failure, because even those that contribute nothing, get the free packs anyway. So why not scrap the free packs for everyone, and just give away MP credit to those who help out the most on the Forums or AnswerHub?

That way its actually a zero sum game / cost neutral, versus what they’re doing already. Unless ofc those free packs convert enough devs away from competing engines. In that case, maybe it is too good to be true for them to switch from that. But either way, its all about the metrics. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

There’s also this brand new [deal]!(Sony invests another $200 million in Epic Games). Good for @Tim!

Perhaps some of it can be converted into badges and signatures. And if Dogecoin keeps skyrocketing, we’ll get twice as many forum avatars to choose from. Mark my words.

edit: I meant the Tim, sorry other Tim that apparently is in the system already.

A nice theme for Discourse to make it more like the old forums … although this theme code needs some tweaking to make it work perfectly Sam's personal "minimal" topic list design - theme - Discourse Meta

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And what about this other Discourse theme that seems just ready to be installed?

Moonclaw Theme
A Moonclaw theme for Discourse, ported from PHPBB

Clicking on the title ideally should take you right to the latest post and NOT the first. I find myself constantly scrolling down.

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What if it’s my first visit to the thread?

Maybe there’s a way to recognize if that’s the case and bring you to the according post (first or last).

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There is. This forum uses more cookies than a cookie factory… which is actually also anther reason as a software it really sucks.

@UnrealEnterprise
You should know by now that epic regards you (and probably me) as a negative nelly who’s “radical” ideas don’t count for :poop: since we openly tell them how badly they :duck: up. EVERY ■■■■ TIME

On their part, it’s not like they ever make an effort not to :duck: up. In fact, I think it’s quite the opposite.
At this point it seems to me like they strive to :duck: up so they have more work to do later.
As a developer who’s often left with “nothing more to do” over having done too good of a job I can relate to that :stuck_out_tongue:

@Everynone
If it was you complaining about formatting? Probably wasn’t.
whoever it was
*the formatting is just not the BCC standard, but it should be is all there.

H1 included

Take the advanced user tutorials to find more info on that.

Re the answer hub.

  1. I’m not too keen on sifting through the mass of cry baby posts that oversaturate it.

  2. the only reason the answer hub still exists is basically you, @ClockworkOcean and @Shadowriver.

  3. if you stopped to pray for an answer you’d have more chance of getting one of the many otherwise fake deities to answer you over having an actual epic employee address your concern.
    Even when filing a bug report …

  4. they aren’t even advertising your games despite them building a billion dollar industry basically on your shoulders…
    When you Google for an answer and end up on answer hub who do you think the right post is from?
    It’s not the staff if the post is less than 4 years old…

However,
all of those issues about the community don’t particularly relate to the topic at hand…

The topic at hand should be
why does epic insist on :duck:ing up instead of hiring professionals to do a professional job?

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Location. Location, location, location… as goes the cliche.

Epic has become a gigantic corporation;
When corps grow like this, basically any and all little problem is very hard to identify who is responsible for whatever it is.

And basically it’s what these forums are, little problems to solve, with even smaller problems within. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s only 1 or 2 person assigned to run these forums and the entire website as well… Because they are so big now that all the big boys are out there solving something else that might be any “real problem”.

I understand that’s how the world is, so I just chew up and accept the status quo.

People are causing problems in the Marketplace?
Too bad, that’s even smaller of a problem.

Patience is a must have in this era of social media, but it’s exactly what everybody ran out of already lol
I for one deleted my facebook long ago because it was driving me to a point of permanent irritation, hopefully these forums don’t go the same route.

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You did some nice take-downs of 4.26 and landscapes in a few places. So if I’m :duck:'ed, I’d say you are too! But does giving free Marketplace credits to devs who help out on the Forums-AH actually count as a ‘radical’ idea? If so, then I guess I’ve been fully radicalized! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

On the flip side, I’m always complimentary about how great Epic tech is and what a legend Sweeney is (examples on request). Where I’m critical maybe, which is different from negative, is that most senior devs no longer post on the Forums / AH. That’s just a fact! So why not TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS @ Epic? … What’s there to lose??? :+1:

Because updating the forums isn’t enough of a magic bullet. I don’t expect to benefit much myself. However change is long overdue. You’re relatively new to this party. Criticism actually started as far back as here from lots of experienced devs, and that’s when users started to desert. And as you pointed out, a couple of devs are keeping AnswerHub alive. :wink:

History shows that when institutions start to become blind to feedback or live in a bubble, decadence often leads to the decline of civilizations. Is Epic immune to that? How many tech firms are now dinosaurs dying a slow death (IBM & HP). Why? Because money / success went to their heads, and stakeholders surrounded themselves with disciples that were blind and couldn’t see it. The falloff in the Forums-AH are just a symptom of this (I’m just holding up a mirror). But the sign doesn’t read ‘its the end of the world’ or the ‘apocalypse is here’. just yet :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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You could always do this. The old forum had a link to take you to the latest post, and if you clicked the title it would just go to the first. Using a gazillion cookies to keep a read history to make it “smart” is just obnoxiously overengineering it. I feel like the new paradigm of reinventing the traditional vBulletin / BB forum format has been a step back every single time it’s been attempted. If I wanted to have discussions that are hard to follow, flowing like a river of bricks I’d go read twitter threads.

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Just found a bug while typing this message. When I clicked on the reply button at very bottom, a random user quote with an incomplete sentence appeared in the text box. I had to delete that text and write this message. It was not restored draft message or something, but bug.

The discourse forum has many irrelevant elements. For example, why user icons on a list of forums or topics? Wasting space for nothing.
The forum focuses on numbers and statistics (topic/post stats, frequent posters and other user irelevant stats) instead of quality and content. This is the main and biggest flaw of the discourse forum. In terms of performance, I’m sure the old traditional forums could be better better and can support a much larger number of simultaneous users.
Furthermore, the space (textarea) for typing messages is fixed and limited, which can be irritating (no flexibility and no nice preview of the message before posting).
This means that the forum is designed for irrelevant instant messages, and not for displaying codes, blueprints, detailed descriptions and quality of content. Forum like twitter…something like that.
Navigation is simply poor. Everything looks fancy, hipster, there is no clarity because the focus is not on quality and content, but on instant messages, analysis, numbers and statistics.

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can you increase the default font size to 16pt with 24 line-height? You know… for accessibility standards

Had a couple of letters stuck at some point, beyond where the caret could traverse. Delete / Backspace / Select All wouldn’t reach them. And copy wouldn’t copy it. Just a bunch of random chars hanging at the bottom of the box…

Would changing it to something abnormal help? Or are you specifically asking to increase the default size? So far the eagle-eyed folk has been asking to reduce the font size…