# Apex Cloth Problem after Upgrade to 4.14 **URL:** \ **Category:** Platform & Builds\ **Tags:** apex-cloth, UE4-14, apex-clothing, unreal-engine, question\ **Created:** [November 16, 2016, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/apex-cloth-problem-after-upgrade-to-4-14/376489 "2016-11-16T14:30:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jzela](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@jzela](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/jzela)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/apex-cloth-problem-after-upgrade-to-4-14/376489/1 "2016-11-16T14:30:06Z")
My apex Cloth items are flowing in the wrong direction since the upgrade to 4.14. It’s almost as if the gravity is somehow reversed for them. See the attached picture - the front flap should be draping towards to floor. ![115152-ss.png](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/9/2/1/9215d5be5fb79377d5834b64fd64faa0ffdafc6f.png) ---
**Author:** ![rujuro](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@rujuro](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/rujuro)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 11:59pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/apex-cloth-problem-after-upgrade-to-4-14/376489/2 "2016-11-16T23:59:48Z")
Just want to say I am seeing the same behavior. In my case it seems to go sideways. Or just be totally noisy and busted. ---
**Author:** ![supaidauen](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@supaidauen](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/supaidauen)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2016, 5:44am UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/apex-cloth-problem-after-upgrade-to-4-14/376489/3 "2016-11-18T05:44:30Z")
Same here. I am using Blender\>ClothingTool\>UE4. I was excited at the prospect of using UE4 meshes mapped to APEX physics. Looks like 4.14 is a no go for me, at least for now. ---
**Author:** ![RRe36](https://d1ap1mz92jnks1.cloudfront.net/user_avatar/forums.unrealengine.com/rre36/32/88710_2.png) [@RRe36](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/RRe36)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/apex-cloth-problem-after-upgrade-to-4-14/376489/4 "2016-11-22T13:58:13Z")
I’ve also experienced something like this. After reimporting the Cloth Asset everything was messed up. Authoring Cloth and Mesh in 3ds Max 2017 with PhysX 3.4 Plugin. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Create\_Art](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@I\_Create\_Art](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/I_Create_Art)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 2:52am UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/apex-cloth-problem-after-upgrade-to-4-14/376489/5 "2016-11-23T02:52:22Z")
I think the new mesh-to-mesh skinning feature in 4.14 is the problem here as well, for me all my cloth objects are completely messed up because its trying to skin the skeletal mesh instead of adding a new 1 from the imported file, which is absolutely against my current workflow, isn’t there any way to disable it and revert back to the old system? ---
**Author:** ![mattcoombe](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@mattcoombe](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/mattcoombe)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/apex-cloth-problem-after-upgrade-to-4-14/376489/6 "2016-12-20T20:58:44Z")
I’ve been seeing the same problem. It seems that the Apex cloth pivot point is coming in with opposite orientation to the mesh/bone. I’ve been able to get around the 4.14 problem by re-importing _only_ the bone/mesh FBX after rotating the bone 180 degrees but do not reimport the cloth data APX. ---
**Author:** ![rujuro](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@rujuro](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/rujuro)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/apex-cloth-problem-after-upgrade-to-4-14/376489/7 "2016-12-20T21:12:31Z")
Not quite sure I follow, does that not mess up your character rig to rotate the bones? I think I must be missing something. ---
**Author:** ![mattcoombe](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@mattcoombe](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/mattcoombe)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 11:31pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/apex-cloth-problem-after-upgrade-to-4-14/376489/8 "2016-12-20T23:31:53Z")
We are actually adding our cloth components as attached socketed actors with their own bones. This way we can change cloth items on and off characters as well as modify and update cloth components individually. I can see this would not be ideal for a lot of situations. You could try it the other way around where you export the cloth upside down and the bones normally? ---
**Author:** ![Exelcior](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@Exelcior](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/Exelcior)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2016, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/apex-cloth-problem-after-upgrade-to-4-14/376489/9 "2016-12-22T13:58:10Z")
Hi, 4.14 includes a new update to PhysX so we are now working with version 3.4. Due to a few issues with back-compat for old assets new clothing exports from DCC tools or Clothing Tool will need to be made with the 3.4 versions of Clothing Tool or the DCC plugins. Essentially what’s causing the clothing to be imported incorrectly is the bind poses of the bones and bone actors being exported transposed into the .apx file so when they are imported into Unreal they aren’t placed correctly as exhibited in the image above. Thanks, Benn. ---
**Author:** ![ZzGERTzZ](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@ZzGERTzZ](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/ZzGERTzZ)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2016, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/apex-cloth-problem-after-upgrade-to-4-14/376489/10 "2016-12-27T00:13:09Z")
both as a result of working with clothing boneless turns? Wait for the update? ---
**Author:** ![ScrapingBottom](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@ScrapingBottom](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/ScrapingBottom)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/apex-cloth-problem-after-upgrade-to-4-14/376489/11 "2016-12-29T18:52:50Z")
Same here. I’m creating cloth in Maya 2016. ---
**Author:** ![ScrapingBottom](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@ScrapingBottom](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/ScrapingBottom)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/apex-cloth-problem-after-upgrade-to-4-14/376489/12 "2016-12-29T20:14:30Z")
I updated the apex plugin to 3.4.0 and no longer incorrectly rotates nor jitters imported cloth in 4.14. [https://developer.nvidia.com/gameworksdownload](https://developer.nvidia.com/gameworksdownload) ---
**Author:** ![rujuro](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@rujuro](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/rujuro)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2016, 1:49am UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/apex-cloth-problem-after-upgrade-to-4-14/376489/13 "2016-12-30T01:49:08Z")
I tried getting the latest 3.4 plugin for maya, and it STILL has the issue. Is there a different file besides the Maya DCC plugin released 2016/11/22 that I should be getting? I should mention that it works perfectly fine when I preview it in Maya. ---
**Author:** ![ScrapingBottom](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@ScrapingBottom](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/ScrapingBottom)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2016, 2:28am UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/apex-cloth-problem-after-upgrade-to-4-14/376489/14 "2016-12-30T02:28:52Z")
No, that should be all you need. I’m assuming that you reskinned the cloth to the skeleton? ---
**Author:** ![rujuro](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@rujuro](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/rujuro)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2016, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/apex-cloth-problem-after-upgrade-to-4-14/376489/15 "2016-12-30T17:46:35Z")
Yeah, I’ve retried it a number of times, tried freezing transforms, deleting history, removing all hierarchy, etc. My most recent experiment was odd, because it shows that SOME of the verts behave properly. If I paint the area around the left arm to move, it behaves normally, the right arm is slightly messed up, but the robe the character is wearing seems to do really strange stuff around the pelvis. This is without any rigid bodies added or anything. ---
**Author:** ![ScrapingBottom](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@ScrapingBottom](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/ScrapingBottom)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/apex-cloth-problem-after-upgrade-to-4-14/376489/16 "2016-12-30T19:15:30Z")
Strange stuff… like being improperly rotated in the screenshot? Or is it just moving oddly like it’s bound to the wrong bone? ---
**Author:** ![rujuro](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@rujuro](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/rujuro)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2016, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/apex-cloth-problem-after-upgrade-to-4-14/376489/17 "2016-12-30T23:12:30Z")
It appears to be improperly rotated, but that is what is so strange, that only some of the verts would be weirdly broken like that. ---
**Author:** ![Maxim](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@Maxim](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/Maxim)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/apex-cloth-problem-after-upgrade-to-4-14/376489/18 "2017-01-10T16:17:48Z")
I’ve tried some export variants. And this one is now working for me. DCC version 3-3-4. From Maya. 1. Select Cloth mesh only. 2. Export Selection 3. Check export PhysX scene to get fbx. 4. Import fbx generated by PhysX exporter to UE4 5. Apply APEX cloth I’ve also re-checked some times scaling factor. My scene is in cm and export cloth in cm. [http://joxi.ru/a2Xe0ZVC1105oA](http://joxi.ru/a2Xe0ZVC1105oA) ---
**Author:** ![RenegadeFungus](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@RenegadeFungus](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/RenegadeFungus)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 4:49am UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/apex-cloth-problem-after-upgrade-to-4-14/376489/19 "2017-01-13T04:49:07Z")
Hi I’m getting the same issues everyone has mentioned. Feels like gravity is reversed / cloth flows in the wrong direction. When the same data is imported in to 4.13, it works fine. But in 4.14 it’s all messed up. I’m using- UE 4.14.1 Maya 2017 PhysXForMaya 3.4.11121 Does anyone know if the UE Hotfix 4.14.3 corrects these issues? ---
**Author:** ![ZzGERTzZ](https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/2/8/5/28502927f1d97ba1051b3b47ccfe17233bf41ef0.png) [@ZzGERTzZ](https://forums.unrealengine.com/u/ZzGERTzZ)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/apex-cloth-problem-after-upgrade-to-4-14/376489/20 "2017-01-14T09:40:20Z")
Go to **UE4 roadmap** and vote for “ **New Clothing Pipeline** ” =) “_Add a tool to the editor to avoid the need to use Max/Maya/PhysXLab to set up clothing._” https://trello.com/b/gHooNW9I.html [Next page](https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/apex-cloth-problem-after-upgrade-to-4-14/376489.md?page=2)