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    Hello everyone,

    Long time community member here and I want to take some time to let you know about a game I’m developing. I’ve been working on a proof of concept to really show, rather than just talk about, the idea, and it’s now ready to share. I’m looking to bring the full design into reality with the help of the gaming community.

    The game is called Torn Valley, and it’s being created by Donkey Kwon Games (DonkeyKwon.com). It’s a modern, post-apocalyptic, totally redefined take on the MMORPG genre and set in real-world locations. I don't want to make this post too huge with descriptions and "why its different" etc because too much text in one place can overwhelm. All those questions and more can be found on the website!

    Check out the Kickstarter page for lots of info, screenshots and a ton of video footage of actual game-play! Keep in mind its all in pre-alpha at the moment wit lots of place-holders and custom spliced animations etc to get the results I wanted, but its meant to give an idea of the concept.

    If you like what you see, please help support further development by spreading the word and also by backing the game!

    Questions and feedback are welcome for sure.
    Thanks a lot guys.



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    Quick Trailer:


    For more videos check out the kickstarter or the youtube channel here
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    #2
    Added a FAQ on the Kickstarter page and added a summary at the top based on a lot of questions that have been coming in at the site. Check it out if you can!

    LINK

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      #3
      9.000.000 stretchgoal?
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        #4
        I don't think the dude is a scammer, just setting the bar a bit high. GL though, dude.

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          #5
          Originally posted by xSoulSpectrumx
          I seriously think you're quite possibly scammer who threw together one big giant prefab game using marketplace content regardless of your statement that you made it all yourself in a few months which is an absolute lie...something is just way off about this whole thing...but you know what...9mil? Take my money!

          But seriously your Kickstart is rather laughable looking at the roadmap of it all and this makes me cringe.

          "You’re not asking for enough money to make this kind of open-world game!" and "9.2 Million - Backers choose spawning location for 2 new places."

          This is a joke...

          Luftbauch & xSoulSpectrumx: Hey guys, first of all thanks for checking out the page! I appreciate all feedback, but I suppose I can't expect everyone to read everything thoroughly so I'll be happy to correct some of your statements for you.

          I'm very unclear as to where you got that we were asking for anywhere near 9mil. There is 9mil on the stretch goals sure and its the final stretch goal, that's pretty standard in crowd funding campaigns to cap the final stretch goal pretty high from the asking amount. It shows what CAN be done but will most likely not be at launch. So the asking amount is what we're actually asking for, that's the goal and it's 1.3mCAD, which is less than 1mUSD. If there is some section of the page where its unclear what the asking amount is, please highlight it for me and I'll have it fixed immediately. Seriously, don't want any confusion about that!

          What we're trying to raise is a small amount of money considering the scale of game we're creating and that is true by most, if not all standards. If your opinion is otherwise there's nothing wrong with that and you're welcome to it. Lastly, it's stated many times that *many* of the visuals are place holders to show off the gameplay and the development was all done from scratch, there are no lies in our campaign and there is no scam here.

          Once again, I appreciate your feedback as well as others here and I understand you don't support this project or this game, that's absolutely fine. But I have worked my tail off for the past few months building out all of the features you see and much more than that so your unfounded accusations and assumptions aren't called for at all. Please be respectful and keep things civil shall we, this community is fantastic, so lets keep it that way!

          Thanks!
          Last edited by DonkeyKwon; 11-24-2015, 01:58 AM. Reason: adding original quote I'm responding to

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            #6
            Originally posted by docjor View Post
            I don't think the dude is a scammer, just setting the bar a bit high. GL though, dude.
            Thanks man!
            The goal really is to bring a new kind of online experience to gamers. In my opinion, the "DayZ" we should have gotten! If you like the idea at all, would very much appreciate the support in the campaign (after all you're not charged at all unless we make our asking amount) , at the very least help spread the word!

            If you're just here for moral support, that's awesome too... thanks again.

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              #7
              Originally posted by DonkeyKwon View Post
              that's awesome too... thanks again.
              sry, was not my intention to bring a bad stone to roll.
              Good luck for your project.
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                #8
                The money drops slower into this nice project, like i had expected.
                I thought this cool game blows the target in one week.
                Good luck.
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Luftbauch View Post
                  The money drops slower into this nice project, like i had expected.
                  I thought this cool game blows the target in one week.
                  Good luck.
                  Thanks for the kind words.

                  We're getting a good feedback and ratio from people that see the site to the amount that back it(what we anticipated), unfortunately we just can't get the word out to enough people. The main issue is that enough people just aren't seeing it!

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                    #10
                    I cant beleive that someone actually backed 6500... The Material is no where near a proper announcment.

                    The trailer Material i saw uses lots of scenes from enviroment bundles and that makes a clear difference in style.
                    You definitly did not redefine anything since almost all of the features are already mostly in DayZ, ARK or Arma.
                    Yea sure that you release the game as FullGame, early access is for noobs. XD how do you plan on testing this giant thing?
                    A 5 year subscription on a game that will not even have aerly access? Alright im out cya.
                    Ah here we go... WTF early access if you pay 30! But i thought you dont have early access? At least not a tiny bit?

                    I could easily progress since you gave so much space for errors at such an early stage.
                    Im sry if that is rude but i cant believe people are buying this. There are like 100 better progressed games outside with a far more better material and arguments then this.

                    I have some things that could help:

                    - rework the entire kickstarter program
                    - rework the material, one style one game.
                    - theory does not matter if you cant show it off at the state it deserves
                    - No T-Shirts.
                    - Early Access is now on the list.
                    - the main issue is your project not people. Stop bullying people.

                    Dont get me wrong i like indie devs the most and im realy trying to get you some points were you can easily adjustify, but you think way over the top of the project limitation.
                    6500? Thats more then indies normally get after that short time. So dont waste it on bad material and bad trailer thingys...

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Kanizitas View Post
                      I cant beleive that someone actually backed 6500... The Material is no where near a proper announcment.

                      The trailer Material i saw uses lots of scenes from enviroment bundles and that makes a clear difference in style.
                      You definitly did not redefine anything since almost all of the features are already mostly in DayZ, ARK or Arma.
                      Yea sure that you release the game as FullGame, early access is for noobs. XD how do you plan on testing this giant thing?
                      A 5 year subscription on a game that will not even have aerly access? Alright im out cya.
                      Ah here we go... WTF early access if you pay 30! But i thought you dont have early access? At least not a tiny bit?

                      I could easily progress since you gave so much space for errors at such an early stage.
                      Im sry if that is rude but i cant believe people are buying this. There are like 100 better progressed games outside with a far more better material and arguments then this.

                      I have some things that could help:

                      - rework the entire kickstarter program
                      - rework the material, one style one game.
                      - theory does not matter if you cant show it off at the state it deserves
                      - No T-Shirts.
                      - Early Access is now on the list.
                      - the main issue is your project not people. Stop bullying people.

                      Dont get me wrong i like indie devs the most and im realy trying to get you some points were you can easily adjustify, but you think way over the top of the project limitation.
                      6500? Thats more then indies normally get after that short time. So dont waste it on bad material and bad trailer thingys...
                      Hey Kanizitas!
                      Thanks for stopping by the site. I can tell from a lot of your comments you didn't read much of the material on the site.

                      I'm not looking to have any kind of arguments with anyone here. I'm puzzled and disappointed as to why some people in this community seem to come out with heavy aggression and resentment. I'm not sure exactly where that comes from. Furthermore it boggles my mind why people, especially those selling "packs" tend to put down others that use packs to showcase their ideas and features. In one thread you'll promote your pack or asset and in the next condemn others for using them. Crazy. It's mentioned many times in the text(edit: of our Kickstarter) that the graphics are there as place-holders, that's what those are for.

                      Anyway, you're partially right in that you can find elements of our game in Arma, Ark, DayZ, Last Of Us, H1Z1, Dead Rising blah blah blah. But you can also find many elements that aren't in them. But the point here is to bring the elements missing from one to the other into one playable game. I could be wrong(I'm not), but I haven't yet seen anyone successfully play Ark with someone who is playing DayZ and connect to the same servers and merge the games.

                      Again, for early access and testing, you obviously read very little other than the rewards section, what you see in the videos is fully playable both SP and MP(not using steam) right now. It's written VERY clearly in the FAQ that there will be an alpha testing phase as early as March 2016 and steady releases leading up to the final release date. The difference between that and DayZ style "early access" is that we aren't charging you $30 - $60 to play the betas.

                      Before you jump up and say, "but you don't get access to the betas without backing, so you ARE charging!" Backing a game isn't CHARGING people for the game, backing a game is supporting the development of a game you want to play and have a say in. Without the backing there would be no game. DayZ didn't get backing from the community, they developed a beta and charged people to play the beta. Because of this model, the game is completely falling apart. I'm sure they ran out of development budget long ago, very few new buyers and the current population is dwindling, due to lack of players, zombies, content and well...game. I doubt they will ever release the full game because they won't make any money from it. 3 million people that wanted the game already bought it. Releasing the full game wont get those 3 million to re-buy it so business-wise it doesn't make much sense to finish it. Hopefully they do, it just doesn't look promising.

                      I've looked at tons of Kickstarter games currently out there and most are terribly put together. I appreciate your thoughts on the subject, but I think our Kickstarter is one of the best I've seen posted and further to that I can't realistically take your criticism seriously knowing you didn't actually read the content.

                      Lastly I'll say this one last time, I'm not here to argue with anyone. I will answer informed questions as long as they're presented tastefully. It's unfortunate that this project has angered you so much, I'm not sure how or why but I truly wish that wasn't the case. I personally worked extremely hard on coding this project and presenting it in a way that gets the vision across. I'm sorry that it didn't resonate with you! You do not have to back the game if you do not believe in it, I would never want anyone to do so which is why I have absolutely NO idea what you mean by we are bullying people.

                      PS: We all love the Donkey Kwon logo and funded or not, you better believe we're gonna get that on hats and tshirts. I can't imagine anyone that wouldn't want one of those. Let me know if you want one!

                      If you decide to post again, please keep in mind I will not entertain bullying or insults from anyone. So they will go unanswered. Informed criticism is fine and welcomed, uninformed criticism IS just bullying and insults.

                      Take care.
                      Last edited by DonkeyKwon; 12-02-2015, 10:28 PM.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Kanizitas View Post

                        I could easily progress since you gave so much space for errors at such an early stage.
                        Im sry if that is rude but i cant believe people are buying this. There are like 100 better progressed games outside with a far more better material and arguments then this.
                        Just wanted to add a quick note on this separately. Perhaps there's a misunderstanding as to what crowd funding sites like Kickstarter are for. Kickstarter is not generally used to sell games that have been made or spread the word for already made games. It's used to fund ideas to make the idea into a reality. So of course there will be games out there that are further progressed, obviously size of the game matters too.

                        I looked at the Castlevania guy' Kickstarter (long time fan) as well as Shenmue and some others and they've been funded for well over 5-6Mil USD and they haven't even started yet. All they have is a few images of concept. Crowd funding originally was mainly available to help start projects for the little guy, to give the guy a chance to prove what they can do when many large investors would see it as low potential or high risk. The little guy that wasn't lucky enough to be alive or able to make games for the last 20 years to build a huge name. Check out the Obduction Kickstarter. These are 20 year veterans on Kickstarter and BECAUSE of that they got funded for approx 1.5Mil and they're two years past their deadline and STILL don't have a single screenshot or video of the game. Still just concept art. So we've done quite a bit more than a lot of them out there. We've been open about all aspects of the game and plan as well as been quick to reply to backers and non backer questions!

                        I don't think your intention is to be rude, it's just always good to fully understand context when adding thoughts or criticism to any projects out there.

                        Thanks again.
                        Last edited by DonkeyKwon; 12-02-2015, 10:48 PM.

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                          #13
                          Aside all that DayZ was for me, one of worst games ever..
                          Originally posted by DonkeyKwon View Post
                          I can tell from a lot of your comments you didn't read much of the material on the site.
                          You are wrong, he is right. A customer is always right. Tell a customer never, he understands something wrong. You have to tell, you explained wrong, or you will sink quick..
                          Last edited by Luftbauch; 12-03-2015, 07:53 AM.
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                            #14
                            @DonkyKwon

                            Completely redefined take on the MMORPG genre
                            From the Websites you listed.

                            Pls tell us the things that differ your project from these:

                            Rust
                            Nether
                            Arma Exile
                            DayZ
                            ARK

                            Without the name of the project all your feature points would fit in almost every state on ALL of these games.
                            You are totally doing a clone, wich is not bad but you are telling us you are redefining the genre.

                            The Witcher 3 is a clone.
                            Skyrim is a clone
                            Gothic is a clone
                            Dragon Age is a clone

                            They are all clones since only one person/one group can create the first RPG ever. But the thing is: All the games on the RPG list are evolved methods, they grew the concept and added new ideas.
                            Thats because they are the good clones, the one clones we actually need. Noone of these developer would ever say they are redefining the genre... since they are just doing good in evolving it.

                            And that fact totally matters.

                            So pls tell us direct on point what differs your project that you are able to say that you redefine the genre?
                            Im really trying to get you back on track since you already have raised some money and with some adjustifications of your plan you can easily make it work at least a bit. Pls work with me.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Luftbauch View Post
                              Aside all that DayZ was for me, one of worst games ever..

                              You are wrong, he is right. A customer is always right. Tell a customer never, he understands something wrong. You have to tell, you explained wrong, or you will sink quick..


                              Not quite. A good way to sink your business is trying to please all people all the time no matter what. Everything that was asked is explained. There is a difference between explaining something WRONG and the customer not actually listening to or reading the explanation provided.



                              Originally posted by Kanizitas View Post
                              @DonkyKwon

                              From the Websites you listed.

                              Pls tell us the things that differ your project from these:

                              Rust
                              Nether
                              Arma Exile
                              DayZ
                              ARK

                              Without the name of the project all your feature points would fit in almost every state on ALL of these games.
                              You are totally doing a clone, wich is not bad but you are telling us you are redefining the genre.

                              The Witcher 3 is a clone.
                              Skyrim is a clone
                              Gothic is a clone
                              Dragon Age is a clone

                              They are all clones since only one person/one group can create the first RPG ever. But the thing is: All the games on the RPG list are evolved methods, they grew the concept and added new ideas.
                              Thats because they are the good clones, the one clones we actually need. Noone of these developer would ever say they are redefining the genre... since they are just doing good in evolving it.

                              And that fact totally matters.

                              So pls tell us direct on point what differs your project that you are able to say that you redefine the genre?
                              Im really trying to get you back on track since you already have raised some money and with some adjustifications of your plan you can easily make it work at least a bit. Pls work with me.
                              I see where you're trying to go here. No problem. First thing, everything is technically a clone in a sense, of something else. Depending on your definition of the beginnings of humans, after 200 000 years, totally original is hard to come by. It's a good thing we didn't say it was a completely brand new idea! The headline is actually, "it's LIKE DayZ meets the social aspect of EVE Online set in a world like The Walking Dead". Again, we're combining aspects of several games and ideas into this theme. In terms of the online and social aspects, EVE would be the closest match, for the combat and stealth systems, it would be more like last of us. I don't know of a game out there that is massive multiplayer, single world, third person survival horror, with proper stealth mechanics, hostage systems, pet systems, crafting, jobs, businesses, player built and run communities, property ownership, flying, embedded ladder-based and officially tracked pvp. Yes, many games have many aspects but none focus on that kind of world.

                              Anyway, I haven't played all of the games you mentioned, but I can definitely tell you some points that make it different than traditional MMORPGs, which is the genre mentioned.

                              Here are some highlights from the page:

                              -- Large online open world, zombie apocalypse survival-horror - Long-term aiming more for the EVE single-server style. Ambitious, yes. Impossible, no. (not tiny 50 ppl per server)
                              -- Set in post-apocalyptic real-world locations - Based of real world cities (scaled but still recognizable)
                              -- New, unique progression system based on specialized attributes, focused skill-set paths, acumen and real-world trades - Not focused on physical attributes like many MMO's are, (str, def, HP etc...) the focus is on learning skills like business operations, social skills, operating vehicles, repairing machinery, money laundering... etc etc.
                              -- A highly focused and massive crafting system from weapons to vehicles - not just crafting an axe, building factories for production of larger scale items like machines and vehicles.
                              Specialized occupations learned, chosen and unlocked based on gameplay style
                              -- Own and operate full businesses with multiple branches, such as shops, banks, restaurants, medical facilities, etc., in safe and non-safe zones
                              -- Buy, sell, rent and create homes and structures in safe and non-safe zones
                              -- Hunting and tracking systems, controllable pets, marriage, communities/factions with other players
                              -- Stealth mechanics, stealth kills and hostage systems
                              -- Participate in officially tracked Team Death Match, FFA and 1v1 combat arenas that can be watched and bet on live from the web
                              -- Full integration with mobiles, tablets and PCs -you can get notifications, accept jobs and trades, check stats, skills, messages etc from your cell phone
                              -- Balanced PVE/PVP environment with many focused systems to ensure fair and fun gameplay, including detrimental penalties for dying (especially for PVP instigators), fluctuating criminal levels, reputation, ability to benefit from safe zones and resources, and much, much more.


                              It really is just duplicating work rewriting everything here. The reason I linked the Kickstarter page in the first post is because everything is written out there already.
                              Please, if you're truly interested, read the content, then read the FAQs. Then watch the videos. The proof of concept was made to specifically test the ideas overall, and to make sure the network portion was a viable option. It's not an easy task by any stretch but it's doable and we want to do it.

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