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  • Open Source Motion Capture Suit - I am looking for supporters.

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    Yes, and I will donate it!
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    No, and I will not donate such project.
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    Hello.

    I am work on my own LifeSim https://lifesim.biz/ project as a hobby and I faced with question of animation recording.

    I found, that there are many paid solutions for this. For example - Perception Neuron https://neuronmocap.com/ . Note, that I am not affiliated with Perception Neuron and this post is not an adds.

    I found, that only one glove, without any sensors costs about 100 USD ( https://neuronmocap.com/content/prod...-straps-single ) and bundle of the software and only of 18 sensors costs about 1500 USD (https://neuronmocap.com/content/prod...ocap-live-solo).

    It's very expensive (for me and for many other people, I think).

    Now I want to realize my own Motion Capture Suit, possible it will be open source project.

    My calculations shows, that it could be realized with cheaper price. For example, for glove we will need to have 17 sensors (not from neuronmocap ). Sensors price is about 4.7 USD.
    It means, that glove can cost about 17*4.7 = 80 USD for sensors and + 5...10 USD for some consumables, like wires, material base glove, etc.
    Ie, we can made for 85..90 USD glove with sensors.
    Software of the MOCAP suit could be opensource and will include UE Editor plugin, to record animations with MOCAP suit directly in UE Editor.

    Who am I. I am software developer from some Russian bank.
    In the past I worked as electronic developer and I can make such device. I think, development process of the device and software could take about 1.5-2 years.

    The main problem, that I am not promoter, not that man, who can easily find investments for such project, I am just an engineer.
    Also, I have no friends in USA and EU, to open project on sites like Patreon, Kickstarter, Indiegogo and etc.

    I could open thread in https://forums.unrealengine.com/foru...ing-for-Talent , but it will look like some type of scam.
    I need to buy electronic elements for building that suit (or glove, for first time), but I have not such money - I haven't free 100 USD for it.

    As I said, dev process could take about 2 years and I would post news about dev progress every week.

    Update 2!

    Possible positions of sensors on the glove:
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    And simple animation, for future testing of the glove:


    P. S. Still working on electronic circuits!

    Post updated!

    Update 1, 2016.10.06.

    To realize tech (pre-demo) prototype for project, I need elements from the list below (this list will be changed during work progress). If you want to help the project, you can buy some elements for me and send orders to my home address. Ie, you can pay for the order and specify my home address as delivery address. Before order some elements, please, contact me by commenting in this thread - we will have to agree on sending moments.
    Please, note, that if you send me some elements, I will not be able to return you them or money. Ie, at this point I can't return donations.

    About AliExpress - note, parcels from AliExpress could come to me in 2.5-3 months and if you select "China Post Ordinary Small Packet Plus", parcel could be lost in the post service, because it cheapest delivery type. Ie, it's delivery type without any guarantees ):


    Last edited by Arthur Khusnutdinov; 01-13-2017, 12:00 PM. Reason: Update 2

  • replied
    Originally posted by Dan3DIM View Post
    Hello, I just read this topic for first time and I think I spot some area where you have missed.

    I master in body language and It need to get information for lower arm twist full 180 degree and thumb need to be fully 180 left to right of the palm hand and wheelie 360. Palm hand itself can be bend, try that by your thumb touch pinky finger.

    And what is frame per second output for those motion capture suit/glove? Because if it fail to capture the body language, it will look too stiff or robot.
    Hi. It will not be a very high-speed capture suit. In my experiments I polled sensors at 80 and 120 Hz. First prototype will work on <=160 Hz. Planned, that in production it will work on 200Hz.

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    Hello, I just read this topic for first time and I think I spot some area where you have missed.

    I master in body language and It need to get information for lower arm twist full 180 degree and thumb need to be fully 180 left to right of the palm hand and wheelie 360. Palm hand itself can be bend, try that by your thumb touch pinky finger.

    And what is frame per second output for those motion capture suit/glove? Because if it fail to capture the body language, it will look too stiff or robot.

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  • replied
    Originally posted by HeadClot View Post
    Hey Arthur - Talk to Ikinema they are a mocap company based in the UK.

    I am unsure If they are hiring. But it is worth a shot.
    Hi!
    Thank you.
    Here is answer from them (Ikinema):

    Difficult to pay your dinner from this, not impossible but difficult. Market is small, only geeks, then you have to compare to IPI, Noitom, Orion and other low cost solutions …

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  • replied
    Originally posted by ADRIANMRIT View Post
    I was also thinking to start the same project just for fun and searching info in google I found this. I guess you can reduce costs by using gyroscope sensors instead of gyroscope-altitude-andmore sensors. For example if you rotate the arm 45 grades then the hand will also rotate and by knowing the angle of the arm and a sensor in the hand then you can calculate the position for each one. You will only need an altitude sensor to register if the person jump and acelerometer to register if he move forward, backward, left and right.

    The software doesn't have to be too difficult. For example you could use blender and then just rotate each bone of the model according to the angle registered by the sensor. You will only need to create a module for blender (is pretty easy) and communicate to the orange pi using a socket. If you want to use other software instead of blender then you can also write a module for it. I estimate a day or two to create a functional module for blender and only a little bit more for a graphic interface.

    You can also save more money by using arduino but with out experience with it (like in my case) the process would be more complicated.
    I want to work on it in 2 or 3 months after solve a few things.
    It is not good idea to use Arduino for such projects... Because of performance issues...
    I have some results, but I froze my work, because of I haven't found producers/investors for my project.
    No money - no honey...
    Last edited by Arthur Khusnutdinov; 05-11-2017, 12:09 PM.

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    Save money by using other sensors.

    I was also thinking to start the same project just for fun and searching info in google I found this. I guess you can reduce costs by using gyroscope sensors instead of gyroscope-altitude-andmore sensors. For example if you rotate the arm 45 grades then the hand will also rotate and by knowing the angle of the arm and a sensor in the hand then you can calculate the position for each one. You will only need an altitude sensor to register if the person jump and acelerometer to register if he move forward, backward, left and right.

    The software doesn't have to be too difficult. For example you could use blender and then just rotate each bone of the model according to the angle registered by the sensor. You will only need to create a module for blender (is pretty easy) and communicate to the orange pi using a socket. If you want to use other software instead of blender then you can also write a module for it. I estimate a day or two to create a functional module for blender and only a little bit more for a graphic interface.

    You can also save more money by using arduino but with out experience with it (like in my case) the process would be more complicated.
    I want to work on it in 2 or 3 months after solve a few things.

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    Hey Arthur - Talk to Ikinema they are a mocap company based in the UK.

    I am unsure If they are hiring. But it is worth a shot.

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  • replied
    Or as a game developer ).
    Last edited by Arthur Khusnutdinov; 02-07-2017, 06:41 AM.

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  • replied
    Originally posted by SaxonRah View Post
    I just found this because i was researching the idea of using the mpu 9250s for markerless mocap. Or rather, a markerless suit that would help clean up markerless camera capture. There is a reason the neuron costs so much, they did the years of r and d.

    Here is a really in depth write up of DOF sensor comparison. It's not as easy as just plugging sensors into a brain. Also calibration is a pain in the *** with any inertial sensors.
    https://github.com/kriswiner/MPU-605...-Sensor-Fusion

    Why did you choose to use the orange pi+2?

    You should take a look at this site, they have a openish DIY Wearable IMU suit. Maybe get in contact with them?
    https://inmagicwetrust.wordpress.com...acking-sensor/

    Have you seen the CyberGlove series of products? My friend has an older cyberglove 2 and it's pretty sweet.

    Idk, i just bought a motion capture array for markerless capture. I luckily have a completely empty room for this. for someone with not an entire room to dedicate. a kinect 2 seems like a way cheaper and much more feasible approach than making a suit.
    Hi. I good know Kris Winer, he is genius! But I don't agree with you about calibration - it is not difficult to calibrate.

    I need Orange Pi for easy experiments. But hub will be based on ESP8266 chip (with embedded WiFi).
    You should take a look at this site, they have a openish DIY Wearable IMU suit. Maybe get in contact with them?
    https://inmagicwetrust.wordpress.com...acking-sensor/
    Whoa! Such big boxes!!! ))) I planned to make it very small, with only one box on the fist. That box will process data for whole hand with fingers,
    fist, arm, etc
    . Ie, main hub of the torso and two boxes on both hands.

    The main problem is that I am not from EU/US, I am from CIS.
    So, even I will done such MOCAP device, I will not be able to sell that devices from Russia to EU/US...

    I am looking for some company, that could hire me - I am ready to relocate to US or EU to work as an electronics engineer.
    Last edited by Arthur Khusnutdinov; 02-07-2017, 06:40 AM.

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  • replied
    I just found this because i was researching the idea of using the mpu 9250s for markerless mocap. Or rather, a markerless suit that would help clean up markerless camera capture. There is a reason the neuron costs so much, they did the years of r and d.

    Here is a really in depth write up of DOF sensor comparison. It's not as easy as just plugging sensors into a brain. Also calibration is a pain in the *** with any inertial sensors.
    https://github.com/kriswiner/MPU-605...-Sensor-Fusion

    Why did you choose to use the orange pi+2?

    You should take a look at this site, they have a openish DIY Wearable IMU suit. Maybe get in contact with them?
    https://inmagicwetrust.wordpress.com...acking-sensor/

    Have you seen the CyberGlove series of products? My friend has an older cyberglove 2 and it's pretty sweet.

    Idk, i just bought a motion capture array for markerless capture. I luckily have a completely empty room for this. for someone with not an entire room to dedicate. a kinect 2 seems like a way cheaper and much more feasible approach than making a suit.
    Last edited by SaxonRah; 02-07-2017, 06:12 AM.

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  • replied
    Hello.

    I mean, that software (possible) will be free and electronic circuits of the MOCAP suit will be open-source.
    Yeah, it's means, that free will be tech - everybody will be able to buy elements from some shop (like AliExpress, Ebay), or from us, and everybody will be able to assemble suit by our electronic circuits.

    For example, Noitom is not shared documents, schemas, electronic circuits of their suit. You can only buy suit from them and you can't assemble their suit from scratch by yourself.

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  • replied
    So if its open source that mean its free?? As in give you my email address and you ship it to me free???

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  • replied
    Update 3, 2016.10.09.
    I bought one ESP-12 and 5 boards with CD74HC4067 (datasheet - http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/cd74hc4067.pdf), boards photo
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    Some basic schematic experiments with 4067
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    And small video
    Last edited by Arthur Khusnutdinov; 10-09-2016, 08:43 AM.

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    Update 2!

    Possible positions of sensors on the glove:
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    And simple animation, for future testing of the glove:


    P. S. Still working on electronic circuits!

    Post updated!
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    I plan to upload electronic circuit with base idea tomorrow.

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