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    Open Source Motion Capture Suit - I am looking for supporters.

    Hello.

    I am work on my own LifeSim https://lifesim.biz/ project as a hobby and I faced with question of animation recording.

    I found, that there are many paid solutions for this. For example - Perception Neuron https://neuronmocap.com/ . Note, that I am not affiliated with Perception Neuron and this post is not an adds.

    I found, that only one glove, without any sensors costs about 100 USD ( https://neuronmocap.com/content/prod...-straps-single ) and bundle of the software and only of 18 sensors costs about 1500 USD (https://neuronmocap.com/content/prod...ocap-live-solo).

    It's very expensive (for me and for many other people, I think).

    Now I want to realize my own Motion Capture Suit, possible it will be open source project.

    My calculations shows, that it could be realized with cheaper price. For example, for glove we will need to have 17 sensors (not from neuronmocap ). Sensors price is about 4.7 USD.
    It means, that glove can cost about 17*4.7 = 80 USD for sensors and + 5...10 USD for some consumables, like wires, material base glove, etc.
    Ie, we can made for 85..90 USD glove with sensors.
    Software of the MOCAP suit could be opensource and will include UE Editor plugin, to record animations with MOCAP suit directly in UE Editor.

    Who am I. I am software developer from some Russian bank.
    In the past I worked as electronic developer and I can make such device. I think, development process of the device and software could take about 1.5-2 years.

    The main problem, that I am not promoter, not that man, who can easily find investments for such project, I am just an engineer.
    Also, I have no friends in USA and EU, to open project on sites like Patreon, Kickstarter, Indiegogo and etc.

    I could open thread in https://forums.unrealengine.com/foru...ing-for-Talent , but it will look like some type of scam.
    I need to buy electronic elements for building that suit (or glove, for first time), but I have not such money - I haven't free 100 USD for it.

    As I said, dev process could take about 2 years and I would post news about dev progress every week.

    Update 2!

    Possible positions of sensors on the glove:
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    And simple animation, for future testing of the glove:


    P. S. Still working on electronic circuits!

    Post updated!

    Update 1, 2016.10.06.

    To realize tech (pre-demo) prototype for project, I need elements from the list below (this list will be changed during work progress). If you want to help the project, you can buy some elements for me and send orders to my home address. Ie, you can pay for the order and specify my home address as delivery address. Before order some elements, please, contact me by commenting in this thread - we will have to agree on sending moments.
    Please, note, that if you send me some elements, I will not be able to return you them or money. Ie, at this point I can't return donations.

    About AliExpress - note, parcels from AliExpress could come to me in 2.5-3 months and if you select "China Post Ordinary Small Packet Plus", parcel could be lost in the post service, because it cheapest delivery type. Ie, it's delivery type without any guarantees ):


    18
    Yes, and I will donate it!
    16.67%
    3
    Yes
    55.56%
    10
    No, and I will not donate such project.
    27.78%
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    Last edited by Arthur Khusnutdinov; 01-13-2017, 12:00 PM. Reason: Update 2

    #2
    This sounds very interesting. As you mentioned in your post, almost all of the mo-cap stuff online are pretty expensive. This could be a great cheap alternative, especially because it would be open source, and of course, it would also have UE4 support.
    If there is any kickstarter or some sort of campaign you have, I'm willing to donate a reasonable amount.
    Good luck!

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      #3
      Hello, [MENTION=20636]SethPDA[/MENTION]!
      I am not resident of the US/EU and I can't make project on sites like KickStarter.
      I can post here links to the elements in AliExpress shop and give you my home address.
      After that you can buy elements in the shop and you can define my address as delivery address for purchases.
      IE you pay for purchases and AliExpress sends purchases to my home address.
      What do you think about it?
      Last edited by Arthur Khusnutdinov; 10-04-2016, 02:55 PM.

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        #4
        Hey [MENTION=37468]Arthur Khusnutdinov[/MENTION]

        Would be markerless Motion capture be an option? I know there are products such as IPISoft and Brekel Pro Body V2 that do this but they are expensive to most people.

        There was Faceshift prior to it being bought out by Apple.



        You can no longer buy Faceshift Sadly

        If you are interested going down the markerless mocap path let me know.

        - HeadClot

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          #5
          Does not seem very viable. R&D + materials + taxes/vats + shipping costs will hike those prices quite quickly. The closest you can probably do without straight up ripping someone off would be in the ballpark of what PN was originally priced at during KS days. Even then, a full suit for mo-cap around $500, "open-sourced" ?
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            #6
            Originally posted by VictorBurgos View Post
            Does not seem very viable. R&D + materials + taxes/vats + shipping costs will hike those prices quite quickly. The closest you can probably do without straight up ripping someone off would be in the ballpark of what PN was originally priced at during KS days. Even then, a full suit for mo-cap around $500, "open-sourced" ?
            You know, at the start each of projects seems viable.
            R&D costs at this moment is very cheap - I can do it by myself.
            Materials are very cheap, everybody can order that elements from AliExpress.
            It's possible to reduce taxes by some schemas.
            If we will produce that elements in China, shipping costs will be very low.
            Open sourced MOCAP suit idea - that all electronic circuits, documentation and etc will be public available and everyone will be able to reproduce that device by themselves. And they are could buy elements from us or from Ali or another shop. If clients decided to buy elements from us, they will receive all elements in nice connectors/boxes/wires and these elements will be more easy to use, that elements bought from another shops.
            Last edited by Arthur Khusnutdinov; 10-05-2016, 04:17 AM.

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              #7
              Originally posted by HeadClot View Post
              Hey [MENTION=37468]Arthur Khusnutdinov[/MENTION]

              Would be markerless Motion capture be an option? I know there are products such as IPISoft and Brekel Pro Body V2 that do this but they are expensive to most people.

              There was Faceshift prior to it being bought out by Apple.

              You can no longer buy Faceshift Sadly

              If you are interested going down the markerless mocap path let me know.

              - HeadClot
              I never faced with such tech on low-level dev... Yeah, it's looks nice, but it use Kinect tech, that I don't know.
              My idea - to use digital sensors, that works like another elements that I used in the past, when I worked on Automatic Meter Reading systems.
              Ie, I plan to use sensors, that are cheap, small and the principle of work of which I know.
              Last edited by Arthur Khusnutdinov; 10-05-2016, 04:49 AM.

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                #8
                Perception Neuron was also KickStarter project - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...ception-neuron
                Last edited by Arthur Khusnutdinov; 10-05-2016, 06:37 AM.

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                  #9
                  This probably isn't going to work--asking people to buy components and send them to you is going to make people very uneasy. As far as actually making something, even if you have the skills to develop it, you likely would run into a lot of issues trying to produce it to sell.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by darthviper107 View Post
                    This probably isn't going to work--asking people to buy components and send them to you is going to make people very uneasy. As far as actually making something, even if you have the skills to develop it, you likely would run into a lot of issues trying to produce it to sell.
                    Yeah, I agree with you.
                    I think, Noitom have had money to produce demo prototype, they spent about 50 000-70 000 USD for it...
                    But it can be my wrong calcs...
                    Last edited by Arthur Khusnutdinov; 10-05-2016, 01:39 PM.

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                      #11
                      But I haven't money for demo proto...

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                        #12
                        I don't quite get what your trying to promote here. Is it a motion capture software (open source), or a suit for mocap???
                        ///DevDreReid///

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                          #13
                          Both.
                          It will be mocap suit with open source electronic circuits and (possible) open source software. May be, that software will be private and electronic circuits - will be open source.
                          I am working on small presentation documentations (pictures, graphs, etc) and circuits for this, to show community something more than simple idea...

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                            #14
                            First update.


                            Update 1, 2016.10.06.

                            To realize tech (pre-demo) prototype for project, I need elements from the list below (this list will be changed during work progress). If you want to help the project, you can buy some elements for me and send orders to my home address. Ie, you can pay for the order and specify my home address as delivery address. Before order some elements, please, contact me by commenting in this thread - we will have to agree on sending moments.
                            Please, note, that if you send me some elements, I will not be able to return you them or money. Ie, at this point I can't return donations.

                            About AliExpress - note, parcels from AliExpress could come to me in 2.5-3 months and if you select "China Post Ordinary Small Packet Plus", and parcel could be lost in the post service, because it cheapest delivery type. Ie, it's delivery type without any guarantees ):

                            1) MPU-9250 sensors on debug boards. Please, note, that the best price for this element is about 3 to 4.8 USD per board (without costs of the enhanced delivery (post)). For glove need 17 sensors.. It could be ordered in shops:
                            AliExpress
                            https://www.aliexpress.com/item/MPU-...7-017ed5aa3918

                            https://www.aliexpress.com/item/MPU-...7-017ed5aa3918

                            https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SPI-...7-017ed5aa3918

                            https://www.aliexpress.com/af/mpu%25...6&isFreeShip=y

                            Ebay:

                            http://www.ebay.com/itm/9D0F-MPU-925...MAAOSw~gRVkQ-9

                            http://www.ebay.com/itm/9D0F-MPU-925...4AAOSwYIxX7WTq

                            http://www.ebay.com/itm/SPI-IIC-MPU-...8AAOSw7FRWX7aJ

                            http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw...-9250&_sacat=0

                            2) Orange Pi Plus 2 board - need 2 boards, about 30-35 USD per each board (without delivery costs):
                            AliExpress:
                            https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Oran...OrigTitle=true
                            https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Oran...665196281.html
                            Ebay:
                            http://www.ebay.com/itm/Orange-Pi-Pl...oAAOSwdzVXmIbf

                            3) 74HC154 in DIP-24 package - 10 pcs, about 4-5 USD per 10 chips, with delivery costs
                            AliExpress:
                            https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10pc...5-c04785ec0801
                            https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10pc...5-c04785ec0801

                            https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale...t=&needQuery=n

                            Ebay:
                            http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-Wide-7...qmbNUfCUh9w1nQ
                            http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-HD74HC...cAAOSwwbdWKLUJ

                            http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw...24+10&_sacat=0

                            Post updated!
                            Last edited by Arthur Khusnutdinov; 10-06-2016, 12:58 PM.

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                              #15
                              I plan to upload electronic circuit with base idea tomorrow.

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