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    Do I need to pay royalties fee for this?

    Hi,
    I would like to create a game for the Oculus Rift. I want people to be able to walk around in a large room playing this game.
    The will have to pay a small fee for this. Do I need to pay the 5% roalty fee in this case?

    #2
    Yes. If any profit is made from the sale of a game/simulation created using UE4, 5% of the gross revenue is required to be paid to Epic.

    Please view the Legal FAQ for additional information: https://www.unrealengine.com/faq#legal
    Stephen Ellis | Senior Engine Coordinator

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      #3
      Originally posted by Stephen Ellis View Post
      Yes. If any profit is made from the sale of a game/simulation created using UE4, 5% of the gross revenue is required to be paid to Epic.

      Please view the Legal FAQ for additional information: https://www.unrealengine.com/faq#legal
      But for an amusement ride no royalty has to be paid. So what is the definition of a amusement ride? The people will have to pay for a 30 minutes play time and will walk in a special room with special equipment. Just like in a fairground park where you pay for some experience inside a moving car for instance. Not that I do not want to pay, but I need to know for sure to be able to calculate the ticket price.

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        #4
        5% of gross revenue whats to figure out?

        Based on your analogy would you not have to pay a fee for the land your ride is sitting on?
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          #5
          Sorry, I do not understand what you want to make clear here.
          I really would like to understand the rules.
          I know that when I create an amusement ride (like motion platform based flight simulator), I do not have to pay the royalty fee. Thats clear. But what is defined as amusement ride. Is this only when you are automatically moved?
          When customers are walking in a room where things happen, is that not a ride anymore (speaking in terms of the license)?

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            #6
            Originally posted by FrankieV View Post
            5% of gross revenue whats to figure out?

            Based on your analogy would you not have to pay a fee for the land your ride is sitting on?
            Read the license.

            It explicitly do not require royalties for amusement ride setups using UE4. And as I see it that is what the OP is creating.

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              #7
              Originally posted by HavocX View Post
              Read the license.

              It explicitly do not require royalties for amusement ride setups using UE4. And as I see it that is what the OP is creating.
              Well, that is the question. Does it fall into the amusement ride category?

              I can understand amusement rides are excluded form paying royalty fees because they cost a lot of investment and a big part of the ticket for the ride is needed to cover the investments.
              For the thing I have in mind I also need to invest in room and equipment etc (off course not as much as a roller coaster). So I could imagine it is royalty free. But I would like to be sure about this.

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                #8
                Ah OK.

                In that case the move would be to contact Epic's licensing department as to what would be considered a unique requirement that you probably would not get a response to in an open forum. Making licensing policy on the fly = bad idea.

                Epic has a brand new licensing office just to handle such situations.

                You can contact the licensing manager for North America, Jason Mangold, at Jason.Mangold<at>epicgames.com
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by FrankieV View Post
                  Ah OK.

                  In that case the move would be to contact Epic's licensing department as to what would be considered a unique requirement that you probably would not get a response to in an open forum. Making licensing policy on the fly = bad idea.

                  Epic has a brand new licensing office just to handle such situations.

                  You can contact the licensing manager for North America, Jason Mangold, at Jason.Mangold<at>epicgames.com
                  Ok, thanks.
                  I will try to contact him.

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                    #10
                    I got a really fast response from him.
                    For who is interested:
                    No royalties would be due. Because they only collect royalties on products in which you sell as standalone game product.

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                      #11
                      So if you developed and ran the "amusement ride" yourself you wouldn't have to pay the 5% but what if you ever sold or licensed your set up to a third party?

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by jmr View Post
                        So if you developed and ran the "amusement ride" yourself you wouldn't have to pay the 5% but what if you ever sold or licensed your set up to a third party?
                        Tricky.

                        - If he sells the software to others as a finished product, he might have to pay royalties.
                        - If he sells his service to use his software to make a similar setup, there are probably no royalties.
                        - I'm pretty sure there will never be a royalty on the ticket price of the "ride".

                        At present it is probably wise to contact Epic about each specific case.

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                          #13
                          Simple answer, Yes there will be royalties.
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by PhenomHDV View Post
                            Simple answer, Yes there will be royalties.
                            Simple but wrong. Read the thread.

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